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Yes. that is the truth feeling. That is part of what we are looking for. Yes, it may be like what you've experienced before. I had many many such experiences before I came to LU & saw there was no "self."I have paid very close attention to the feeling and everytime i look and cant find a separate self, i feel very relaxed, expansive and blissful sensations in head and chest area. I used to experience these blissful sensations when i did shadow work and practiced acceptance maybe thats why i dont feel very different.
I dont know if seeking has stopped for sure but at this moment there is no desire to seek at all. I am still having this blissful sensations all over my chest and head even though i am not trying to look or inquire.Has seeking stopped?
Yes. It's just thoughts. When we believe untrue thoughts we "lose it."If there is more seeking/doubts/expectations, arent all of them just more thoughts.Each thought comes with an automatic assumption of an existence of “Me/self” and starts looking/seeking again until its realized again that I is a thought. Its goes on and on forever in circles. But if i dont believe in thoughts or question it as soon as the I appears, i am never IN(in the circle)
No, there is or never was a real solid entity called I1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
The illsuion starts from an automatic assumption of the existence a separate real "I/Me" with free will and control mainly because of language. From this assumption, the I/Me strives to control the external world with its free will by making choices. Feelings of guilt & shame(pain) arises when it cant control and proud(pleasure) arises when it thinks its succesful. All the effort goes into making this I special and unique. Everytime i tried to look through the illusion, i was doomed as i was looking from/as the "I". Once i saw as nothing but a thought and it doesnt actually exist, everything started falling. Illusion is just this unquestioned sticky identification with a thought and experiencing everything as separate.2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
It felt surprising and shocking from not being able to find a separate self as an actor/controller. Now that it settled down, i have this feeling of being free, indifferent to anything happening and yet everything being same. I may/may not have seen this already before the dialogue but doing the exercises gave new insights which lead to more clarity.3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days
Palm flipping exercise, no matter how many times i did and looked , i couldnt find a separate controller and it was instanly clear that there never was an I except an I thought. There were doubts/expectations but its clear that, thats just more thoughts and each thought comes with an assumed I and not seeing that would lead back into illusion again.4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Decision happens spontaneously. There are thoughts commenting about the results of what would happen if one particular thing is decided against the other but at the decision point, the decision appears spontaneously. Thoughts about going/not going to the beach arose but at the decision point, the decision to not go happened spontaneously.5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Intention happens spontaneously. Intention to get up and go to walmart arises automatically, there is no separate self doing it at the moment of getting up to go. If you meant intention as a thought, thought arises spontaneously as well.Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Free will is an illusion, the i did it appears after the event is done to claim it. Switching lanes while driving happens spontaneously then the claiming, "I switched the lanes". The decider/controller isnt present either who is deciding and switching the lanes.Describe free will & give examples from experience.
Choice happens spontaneously, no separate self can be found thats making the choices. While choosing a number from 1-20, its so obvious that the number spontaneously appears and there is no self thats choosing.Describe choice & give examples from experience.
A separate self in control of actions cannot be found. While driving the car, braking and accelerating happens without a controller.Describe control & give examples from experience.
Everything happens by itself. I dont know how it works, i can consciousness but that would be another concept.What makes things happen? How does it work?
Responsbility happens like how its been happening already. Answering to my work emails, there is no controller, decider or a separate self writing & sending the email.What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.