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The thing looking at this screen and typing is the person.Where is the "person" there ?
It is assumed to be the organism.Where is the "I" or Self ? in that organism ?
Yes.Does it happen (the experiencing) in the body of the organism ?
What is experienced as thoughts, the person? Yes.Is it experienced as thoughts(mind) ?
No. That is the organism.The thing looking at this screen and typing is the person.
and these assumptions are the stuff of thought ?It is assumed to be the organism.
So the "person" the I or Self, is the stuff of thoughts ? Is that your experience ?experienced as thoughts, the person? Yes.
Well they are the same thing to me.No. That is the organism.
It's stuff of thought, but it's not my experience.and these assumptions are the stuff of thought ?/
Yes.
So the "person" the I or Self, is the stuff of thoughts ? Is that your experience ?
Well they are the same thing to me.No. That is the organism.
Yes.and these assumptions are the stuff of thought ?
It's stuff of thought, but it's not my experience.So the "person" the I or Self, is the stuff of thoughts ? Is that your experience ?
So what is the process that takes stuff of thought to be solid reality, even while knowing it is just mind ?vinceschubert wrote:So the "person" the I or Self, is the stuff of thoughts ? Is that your experience ?
Ali said: It's stuff of thought, but it's not my experience.
The mind?So what is the process that takes stuff of thought to be solid reality, even while knowing it is just mind ?
Not everything, but yes I can see this.Yes, Ali, can you see how the mind want to be everything and to own what is not it ?
I don't know, I've been conditioned to believe in it.Does the mind have such integrity that it should be always believed ?
Before we consider de-conditioning, there needs to be certainty that thoughts have no implicit integrity.I've been conditioned to believe in it.
Yes, sometimes unnecessary thoughts pop up. I can't say that thoughts have no integrity.. some are very helpful.Before we consider de-conditioning, there needs to be certainty that thoughts have no implicit integrity.I've been conditioned to believe in it.
Are there thoughts that you 'catch out' as being stupid, wrong, or just plain irrelevant ?
Watching your thoughts for 5 minutes should be enough to expose this.
Some of them.Do they deserve the belief that they have integrity, just because they are thoughts ?
No, only some. The ones that are assumed to be thought from me or the ones that aren't known to be useless have integrity.Do all thoughts have integrity ?
Where are the other ones from ?The ones that are assumed to be thought from me