Awakent

[Verananda]

why then you wrote before
"SEEING: color...shape...form"
?

For me it feels a bit like you are guessing instead of looking into your here and now experience.
and it feels like we are going in circles.

we can try one more.
look at your display.
tell me what you see (experience) and what is thought while doing that.

[Abner]

why then you wrote before
"SEEING: color...shape...form"
?
I dont understand what you are questioning.
All I stated (above) is that I
see color, shape and form
What dont you understand about this?

For me it feels a bit like you are guessing instead of looking into your here and now experience.
and it feels like we are going in circles.
Maybe we are going in circles
I can look at things many ways
Please dont question " many "
Its self explanitive


we can try one more.
look at your display.
tell me what you see (experience) and what is thought while doing that.
I see a book...colors, shapes, lines, dimentions
and all.
I am seeing it & thinking it!!
If thats going in circles, for you, I can only tell
you the way that I "see" it.

[Verananda]

look at your display.
tell me what you see (experience) and what is thought while doing that.
I see a book...colors, shapes, lines, dimentions
and all.

I now asked about your display / phone / monitor not the book?

[Abner]

look at your display.
tell me what you see (experience) and what is thought while doing that.
I see a book...colors, shapes, lines, dimentions
and all.
I now asked about your display / phone / monitor not the book?
Its the same as the book; colors, lines, images.

[Verananda]

Hi Abner,

I realy have no furher ideas how to point and proceed ........ I'm sorry for that ....
I would suggest you try with a new guide and start from the beginning ....

Are you wanting and willing to do that?
If so I will look for a new guide for you!

Love Ve

[Abner]

Yes

[Abner]

Yes

Thank you for trying

Be well...Abner

[Seamist]

Hi Abner,
My name is Sioned and I'm going to take over your guiding from here.
I'll post more tomorrow

[Abner]

Hi, Sioned
Thank you
Abner

[Seamist]

Hi Abner
Let's start!
It is important to realize that looking and thinking are not the same.
For example, if I asked you to describe what is behind your back right now, you can answer from memory- thinking, or you can turn the head around and see, then describe what is there as you see it. In this work you need to look in your experience and forget all you know, all you think is true, all you heard or read. Trust your direct experience.
Make sense so far?
xx

[Abner]

Hi, Sioned

Yes that definately makes sense

[Seamist]

Good
Next
Say the following sentence aloud three time
There is no separate self at all in reality. No agent that is in charge, no manager, no watcher, no owner of life; all there is is life flowing freely as one movement.

Watch, wait, notice, write- what comes up? Is there fear? Is there a doubt? Resistance? Frustration? Something that wants to scream and make a turn away, something that says this is not working? Or maybe there is a feeling of wow, joy, relief?
Notice all that is going on inside and let me know what you find.
xx

[Abner]

Watch, wait, notice, write- what comes up? Is there fear? Is there a doubt? Resistance? Frustration? Something that wants to scream and make a turn away, something that says this is not working? Or maybe there is a feeling of wow, joy, relief?
Notice all that is going on inside and let me know what you find.

When I read (three Xs) what you wrote, I get a good feeling because I am looking to see this
internally. At the same time, I get a little
frustrated...because I still havent realized
It yet. I have been feeling "this is not working"
for a long time and now is no differant.
Although I dont outwardly feel it, I suspect
fear is there thus causing resistance.
The feeling is similar, but not the same, as
giving up smoking some 36 years ago.
I took a course, and was told that I was going
to quit on a certain day. The day before I
smoked like crazy...fearing I would loose
something. By the way I did quit the next day
and never smoked again.

[Seamist]

Hi
I understand the frustration - it's a common thing. Though it's actually very simple really! We try too hard, try and think our way through to it - which just won't work
When you say you suspect fear - what's the response in your body?

[Abner]

When you say you suspect fear - what's the response in your body?

I feel discomfort
I get a queasy feeling in my stomach