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Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:15 pm
by Seeker2019
I don't know. I felt a strong sensation in my head, a tightened, a contraction. It feels solid and felt like, this is where I am. But in direct experience, there was only this sensation, and a thought about it. I felt weird looking at that, it made me uneasy and it felt agitating
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 11:00 am
by Seamist
Hi Alex
in direct experience, there was only this sensation, and a thought about it.
perfect!
I felt weird looking at that, it made me uneasy and it felt agitating
yes, it can be like that - it's so contrary to what we assume, isn't it?
Thought points to the feet being ‘down there’, so presumably you are above your feet. Where are you?
Sit quietly, take in a few deep breaths and then close your eyes.
Locate where you feel yourself to be. Locate yourself vertically in the body, horizontally to the left or right, and depth, how far in. Feel how big you are, where you reside. Then point with a finger to ‘you’. Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?
xx
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:32 am
by Seeker2019
Hi Sioned
The finger points to inside my head
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:00 pm
by Seamist
Can an Alex be found there in direct experience?
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:16 pm
by Seeker2019
No Alex can't be found.
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:29 pm
by Seamist
Hi Excellent
That's excellent!
Let’s say that you have lost your keys and you swear that you left them in your coat. You go to look and check all the pockets - the keys are not there. You swear they must be as that was the last place you remember them. You have a vivid memory of putting them there after you left the house. But when you check they are not there. At this point you can keep believing that the keys are in your pocket, or you can admit you were mistaken. This is just like that. You may see clearly that the self is an illusion but still feel a sense of self - just like the keys. But feeling something to be true and seeing that it is or is not is different. This is why we may find ourselves coming back to your expectations at the start and at the end.
Now, I’d like to ask you to explore this SENSE of self very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it.
Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire:-
Does the sense of self have a location?
Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?
If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?
Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?
What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?
xx
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:54 pm
by Seeker2019
Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire:-
Does the sense of self have a location?
It starts as a location in the head
Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
Not a fixed one, it is wobbly and has unclear edges
Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?
No, but I get sensations all over the body when I observe it. Pressure in the chest, weird sensations in the belly.
Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?
I don't know, it is just sort of there and not there.
What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?
Sensation and sometimes unclear images
Sioned, I will be traveling a lot until the end of the year and might not always have easy internet access. Should we continue anyway or do you think we should take a break until I am back?
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:51 pm
by Seamist
Hi Alex
Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
Not a fixed one, it is wobbly and has unclear edges
love it!
[quote
]Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?
No, but I get sensations all over the body when I observe it[/quote] good noticing
and here:
Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?
I don't know, it is just sort of there and not there
I will be traveling a lot until the end of the year and might not always have easy internet access. Should we continue anyway or do you think we should take a break until I am back?
it's up to you, really - either is ok with me.Generally it's best to continue, but what feels most workable for you?
I won't post anything further till I hear back from you
xx
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:41 pm
by Seeker2019
Ok, then we continue but may have a little gap here and there.
Thanks again for doing this
Xx
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:57 am
by Seamist
Hi
Gaps are understandable at this time of the year.
Have a look around you. You can see colours of the room, of your 'feet’, of your ‘knees’, of your ‘chest’ and perhaps of your 'hands'.
Now point a finger towards the place where others see your head and face.
What do you see? Do you see your face? Do you see your head?
Do you see anything at all there - any colours, shapes, or any movement?
Looking into the place where others see your face, do you see colours or shapes there?
What do you find?
xx
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:13 pm
by Seeker2019
I see a void. Sort of a nothing. I feels weird to look a that, and something on me revolts. The edges of this nothing are hard to see.
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:27 pm
by Seamist
Are you hiting fear?
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:28 pm
by Seamist
Or is it that there is simply nothing to be found?
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:09 pm
by Seeker2019
I am not sure if it fear. There is a very slight amount of panic present, it's feels like you go down a line of thought that you don't want to follow. I see there is nothing, and then get exited and then feel an urge to get distracted, look away
Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:23 pm
by Seamist
Ok, that helps me to hear more about what's happening. Thanks, Alex.
Over the next few days, just be with the direct experience of this when you can. (Focusing on on bodily sensations can often be helpful). Notice thoughts that come up around it, but don't get caught up in turn, and don't believe them. Just stay with what's there in your actual simple experience.
And relax.
Does that sound ok?
You're doing great!!