Awakent

[Abner]

what is perception?
The way to see something, thru the senses

can you experience "perception"?
If you go by my definition...YES
because you are using the senses...although
I suspect the "correct," answer is ...NO
So I will say...NOT SURE

[Verananda]

no definitions. no guessing.

so when you say can you experience "perception", please tell me exactly WHAT is the experience of "perception"?

[Abner]

WHAT is the experience of "perception"
SEEING...thru the senses
Seeing, by your account, is an experience!!
"Experience is related to the 5 senses"

[Verananda]

is SEEING = PERCEPTION = EXPERIENCE?
any difference?

[Abner]

You say seeing is experience
Perception IS a way of "seeing" things
I dont make the definitions..Webster does.
I cant keep changing my answers, nor can I say
forget definitions...
Then words have no meaning...

[Verananda]

You say seeing is experience
Do YOU say seeing is experience?

Perception IS a way of "seeing" things
so then there are different ways of "seeing same things"?

we are looking here if "perception" is experience or if it is thought or if we have fould something new that is NOT experience and NOT thought .....

[Abner]

You say seeing is experience
Do YOU say seeing is experience?

I dont say it but you said All using the 5 senses
are experience

Perception IS a way of "seeing" things
so then there are different ways of "seeing same things"?
Yes

we are looking here if "perception" is experience or if it is thought or if we have fould something new that is NOT experience and NOT thought .....

I am TOTALY confused

[Verananda]

You say seeing is experience
Do YOU say seeing is experience?

I dont say it but you said All using the 5 senses are experience

What then do YOU say?
What is here and now alive and vibrant?

[Abner]

What then do YOU say?

I say, my personal true feelings, perception
Is not a thought nor a perception
Are there other catagores?

What is here and now alive and vibrant?
I dont understand question

[Abner]

I say, my personal true feelings, perception
Is not a thought nor an experience
CORRECTION

[Verananda]

What is here and now alive and vibrant?
I dont understand question

I tried to ask you about your experience here and now without using the word "experience" .....

I say, my personal true feelings, perception Is not a thought nor an experience
Are there other catagores?

There are no predefined categories. We start from scratch and look for what we find.
seeing, hearing, sensing, tasting, smelling happens here.
I call this experience.
How is it for you?

Then what else I notice here is that there are thoughts.
How is it for you?

When you say there is also perception, that is not thought and not experience, please tell me about!
Describe it what and how it happens.
No definitions. No wikipedia. I want it fresh from you.

[Abner]

How is it for you?
I agree, the senses represant experience

Then what else I notice here is that there are thoughts.
How is it for you?
Yes there are thoughts

When you say there is also perception, that is not thought and not experience, please tell me about!
Describe it what and how it happens.
Perception is a noun..its like asking me if
a "book" is an experience or a thought.
I cant relate to that.
No definitions. No wikipedia. I want it fresh from you.
I dont know how you can seperate words from
their meanings...fresh from me means meanings...words have meanings otherwise
we couldnt communicate.

[Verananda]

Perception is a noun..its like asking me if
a "book" is an experience or a thought.
I cant relate to that.


when you would ask be if a "book" is an experience or a thought, I would answer
"book" itself is a thought, unsless I talk about a concrete book laying in front of me.
Then I can describe what I see. ig. a "blue cover". and at the same time knowing that "blue cover" is a lable/thought for telling/communicating to you what is seen here, same as "book". So there is a lot of thought in here but also the "alive" experience of seeing.


How is it for you?
And where does this not-thought-not-experience-perception happen for you?

[Abner]

OK, So what is book lying on the table?

[Abner]

How is it for you?
How is what for me..I dont understand

And where does this not-thought-not-experience-perception happen for you?
I dont understand

Truely I dont understand