Guide to truth

[forgetmenot]

Hi Carolyn...okay...will do. I will put questions in italics. Thanks for letting me know that you will be taking extra time answering the questions...really appreciate it.

Love, Kay
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[Prahathit]

Hi Kay,
I'm needing one more day. In the meantime I've been continuing to look at the separate strands of experience-- sensation, thought, color. Etc. s
In general, I feel like in the future a couple of questions at a time is what I can handle. Too many and I get overwhelmed.
Thanks
Love
Carolyn

[forgetmenot]

Hi Carolyn,

In general, I feel like in the future a couple of questions at a time is what I can handle. Too many and I get overwhelmed.

So tell me about this 'overwhelm'..what is it exactly? Fear, resistance, confusion?

Love, Kay
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[Prahathit]

Hi Kay
I feel confused. I can handle one line of inquiry, such as looking at how the experience of the body is made up of several strands -- sensation,color, thought and other senses. I can get the faintest sense that those strands are actually separate from one another and don't add up to a self inside a body. That's my threshold right now.
I know that your questions are all pointing to the same thing, but when you ask about objects, like the body, existing at all, that gets me confused. The question about the eyes seeing g confuses me because when I open them something is there and when I close them there is something else entirely.
Thank you for your help!
Love
Carolyn

[forgetmenot]

Hi Carolyn,

I looked back on my last post, and yes, I got over enthusiastic it seems and bombarded you with a lot…sorry about that. I am glad you let me know and that you have let me know where you would like to focus the LOOKING.

I know that your questions are all pointing to the same thing, but when you ask about objects, like the body, existing at all, that gets me confused. The question about the eyes seeing g confuses me because when I open them something is there and when I close them there is something else entirely.

So, let’s look at this until it becomes clear.

Take a few relaxed breaths to let the dust settle for a while, and then:
Look on your right.
Then look on your left.
Finally, bring your head back to centre, close your eyes and look in front.

Okay, so when you look on the right, the view on the right is seen (whatever that is).
When you look on the left, the view on the left is seen (whatever that is).
And then, when you look in front of you with eyes closed, the view in front is seen (ie black space).

Darkness is just a colour, like any other, no different from light. Thought labels darkness as the absence of some 'thing' but it is no less knowing/known than light is.
Empty space is no different to solid matter, it is still a some 'thing', not a lack of some 'thing'. So when the eyes are closed, what is seen is undefined, it is untrue to say that nothing is seen, there is still some ‘thing’ ie darkness/black ‘space’.

So, whether the eyes are closed or open, what is the actual experience of what is being 'seen'?


Love, Kay
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[Prahathit]

Hi Kay,
Thanks-- this one experiment was more manageable.

I did the experiment-- looking to the right, then to the left with eyes open, then to the center with eyes closed.

So, whether the eyes are closed or open, what is the actual experience of what is being 'seen'?

The AE of what is seen is color (I do get that darkness is just color-- and I see colors, not just darkness with eyes closed), sensation, and thoughts.

love,
Carolyn

[forgetmenot]

Hi Carolyn,

The AE of what is seen is color (I do get that darkness is just color-- and I see colors, not just darkness with eyes closed), sensation, and thoughts.

Look at this carefully...are there many colourS appearing or just colour appearing?

Love, Kay
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[Prahathit]

Hi Kay,
I don't know how to approach your question of whether many colors are appearing or just one. It seems like many when I look. Are you saying that thought is merely labeling colors as red or blue etc? Why is this question important?
love,
Carolyn

[forgetmenot]

Hello Carolyn,

I don't know how to approach your question of whether many colors are appearing or just one. It seems like many when I look. Are you saying that thought is merely labeling colors as red or blue etc? Why is this question important?

It is important so that you can start to see that the body's eyes don't see and that there is no separation in what is considered to be individual experiences of sound AND thought AND sensation AND taste AND colour AND smell. There is only soundthoughttastecoloursmell and experience isn't made of those...they are appearing in/as experience.

Have a LOOK and you tell me whether thought is labelling 'colour' as pink, blue, yellow and so on? Without thought how would it be known what colour is or what a colour label is and that colour is divided? Is colour actually divided or is it just experience appearing as colour which then thought says is many different colours?

Kay

[Prahathit]

Migraine. Tomorrow

[Prahathit]

Hi Kay--

I still have a migraine, but I've been looking.

Have a LOOK and you tell me whether thought is labelling 'colour' as pink, blue, yellow and so on?
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Yes, thought is labeling the colors.
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Without thought how would it be known what colour is or what a colour label is and that colour is divided?
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Without thought I couldn't know what color is or what a color label is (pink, blue, etc). However-- I do have reactions to different colors and those reactions seem to be separate from thought.
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Is colour actually divided or is it just experience appearing as colour which then thought says is many different colours?

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Even though I see that thought is labeling colors I still feel like I experience different colors.

love,
Carolyn

[forgetmenot]

Hello Carolyn,

Without thought how would it be known what colour is or what a colour label is and that colour is divided?

Without thought I couldn't know what color is or what a color label is (pink, blue, etc). However-- I do have reactions to different colors and those reactions seem to be separate from thought.

And look carefully, what links the colours to the ‘reactions’? What says that the colour has caused the reaction?

Have a look at the chair you are sitting in. Thought labels it as a ‘chair’. Have a look at parts of the body that are seen. Thought labels it as a ‘body…but all it is, is colour. Then look at the floor, it may be a ‘different’ colour, nevertheless it is still just colour. And have a look where the floor supposedly meets the wall.
Is there a dividing line between colour called ‘body’ and colour called ‘chair’ and colour called ‘floor’ and colour called 'wall' or are they just seamless colour?

Is colour actually divided or is it just experience appearing as colour which then thought says is many different colours?

Even though I see that thought is labeling colors I still feel like I experience different colors.

Of course the 'seeing of different colours' will still continue! Why would that change? What I am trying to get you to see that colour is just colour and is all made from the same ‘substance’ – experience itself! The idea of what colour is as defined by thought is a concept. What is the AE of colour?

The label “colour” is the AE of thought and is not the AE of colour!



Thought says, that the yellow orange and green areas in this picture are you and the other areas are not you. Thought also calls this your body. And thought also calls the light brown areas animals. If you ignore all the labels about what the objects are and ignore all the labels of what the colours are….all there is, is colour…not colourS.

Can you see this?

Kay xx

[Prahathit]

Hi Kay,
Once again-- instead of blue could you use italics? I'm having trouble seeing what your new questions are.



And look carefully, what links the colours to the ‘reactions’? What says that the colour has caused the reaction?
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Thought is what links colors to the reactions and says that color has caused it.
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Have a look at the chair you are sitting in. Thought labels it as a ‘chair’. Have a look at parts of the body that are seen. Thought labels it as a ‘body…but all it is, is colour. Then look at the floor, it may be a ‘different’ colour, nevertheless it is still just colour. And have a look where the floor supposedly meets the wall.
Is there a dividing line between colour called ‘body’ and colour called ‘chair’ and colour called ‘floor’ and colour called 'wall' or are they just seamless colour?
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To me the different colors still act as boundaries that differentiate objects.
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Thought says, that the yellow orange and green areas in this picture are you and the other areas are not you. Thought also calls this your body. And thought also calls the light brown areas animals. If you ignore all the labels about what the objects are and ignore all the labels of what the colours are….all there is, is colour…not colourS.

Can you see this?
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Yes, I can see that thought labels the colors and the objects.

love,
Carolyn

[forgetmenot]

Hi Carolyn,

Once again-- instead of blue could you use italics? I'm having trouble seeing what your new questions are.

Yes, sorry, forgot all about italics instead of blue text.

And look carefully, what links the colours to the ‘reactions’? What says that the colour has caused the reaction?

Thought is what links colors to the reactions and says that color has caused it.

Yes exactly! Thought cannot trigger sensation, sensation cannot trigger thought, thought cannot trigger anything.

Have a look at the chair you are sitting in. Thought labels it as a ‘chair’. Have a look at parts of the body that are seen. Thought labels it as a ‘body…but all it is, is colour. Then look at the floor, it may be a ‘different’ colour, nevertheless it is still just colour. And have a look where the floor supposedly meets the wall.
Is there a dividing line between colour called ‘body’ and colour called ‘chair’ and colour called ‘floor’ and colour called 'wall' or are they just seamless colour?

To me the different colors still act as boundaries that differentiate objects

Have another look. And ignore all labels, thoughts and 'mental' images.

Where does one colour end and another begin?

Thought says, that the yellow orange and green areas in this picture are you and the other areas are not you. Thought also calls this your body. And thought also calls the light brown areas animals. If you ignore all the labels about what the objects are and ignore all the labels of what the colours are….all there is, is colour…not colourS.
Can you see this?

Yes, I can see that thought labels the colors and the objects.

Yes, so are there different colourS, or just colour?
Are there objects or are they just an appearance as colour that thought then labels?




What is a rose? Perhaps a nice red and green flower with a pleasant smell and some sharp thorns?
But look again - all that is ‘actually’ present are red and green, a nice smell and maybe an 'ouch' sensation. The ‘rose itself’ is only a story.
Notice that all things that seem to exist are just like the rose, just fictional stories about experience.

Beyond the story, can any of them be found to exist at all?

Love, Kay

[Prahathit]

Hi Kay--
I was going to thank you for the italics, but now I look below and see that the copy and paste wiped those out too. CAPS? A bit rude, I know, but it would be clear.

Where does one colour end and another begin?

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I'm guessing that the right answer is they don't begin or end. But I don't see this. The boundaries seem distinct.
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Yes, so are there different colourS, or just colour?
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Thought labels colors as being different. If there were no thought, there would be no differences. Would there even be color?
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Are there objects or are they just an appearance as colour that thought then labels?
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I'm kind of seeing where you're going with this. Thought creates everything, including the objects outside and the sense of self inside. Objects are just appearance as color that thought labels.

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Beyond the story, can any of them be found to exist at all?
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It depends on what you mean by exist. Getting confused here. Maybe we come back to this exploration of color?

love,
Carolyn