Re: requesting a guide
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:40 am
and decision is a post-interpretation
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An actual entity "I"?1) There's an "I" in my mind, but nowhere else. It was only ever in my mind.
Really? Are you separate from "people"? Do "they" have a self?2) People are getting "lost" in thought. They I-dentify with the stream of thinking, and derive a sense of self from this story. This creates the illusion that people are different from each other, a separate god each one of them. They are their own god each one of them, and everybody else is imperior to them. They are dreaming throughout the day. The only real difference between me and them is that I'm not totally lost in thought. They don't see each other, they only see the thoughts in their own heads. And they seem to respond to thoughts in each other's heads. I don't know when it starts. I just know that people are living in negativity and insincerity. That's what I see now.
Good to Notice!!!Nothing makes things happen, the universe is expressing itself and we call that "life."
Excellent!! And isn't that more peaceful?I realized that my hand was being guided, and that I wasn't doing it. I only thought I was. My hand guides itself and draws something without any volition on my part, and then my mind judges it. It says whether it is good or bad. I decided better to like whatever it is I draw, since it's gonna be the way it is no matter what.
What makes the "choice"? Is there a moment when you are aware of an actual choice? Or are there simply times when the mind wanders and other times when it doesn't, and then thought says, "I did it"?So right, I have absolutely no control, but it seems like I do have a choice in not letting my mind wander.
Indeed! How is Life unfolding for you now that you have seen there is no you, no control, no decision?decision is a post-interpretation
The only real noticeable difference is my artwork. It's really good! I've never taken an art class in my whole life and I'm drawing incredible portraits. Other than that things are pretty much the same.An actual entity "I"?No, not an actual entity.
"people" is just a word. "they" is just an idea. There's no such thing as either of those.Really? Are you separate from "people"? Do "they" have a self?
It's more peaceful to know that it's true.Excellent!! And isn't that more peaceful?
Yeah, that's what's happening.What makes the "choice"? Is there a moment when you are aware of an actual choice? Or are there simply times when the mind wanders and other times when it doesn't, and then thought says, "I did it"?
Indeed! How is Life unfolding for you now that you have seen there is no you, no control, no decision?
States of mind are temporary; seeing there is no separate self that is in control of a personal slice of Life cannot be unseen. It's not gaining anything; it's merely seeing a Fact — there is no separate entity self— just like there is no actual Santa, no actual Tooth Fairy.I worry if I've gained anything or if this is just a temporary reprieve from suffering that I'm experiencing.
When you are focused on sensation, you are aware of seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, touching… and not thinking.Even at these times I'm not sure if I am switching to sensation or not.
Excellent! Believing you know what's true could otherwise prevent you from looking at what's actually happening.I don't know what's true anymore...
Really? The only way? What about when you are focused on sensation? You seemed to find peace when you're not chasing thoughts. Isn't "I believe that that's the only way I'll find peace" a thought?And at most times I think that I should know what's true because I believe that that's the only way I'll find peace.
When you are focused on what is happening in reality, without getting distracted by thoughts, is any "control" missing from Life?the knowing that life has everything under control. I currently have doubts about this.
The key word here is SEEM. When things seem some way, it's a clue that you are chasing a thought. In sensation, things don't seem any way; in sensation there are only colours, light, dark, shapes, sounds, scents, flavours, and tactile experiences. Nothing that seems like anything at all!What happens when things occur that seem… yada yada yada
"Unfair" is a concept, a judgment, and only is found in thoughts. There is nothing "unfair" in sensation, and nothing is happening to you. Check it!it seems to me that a lot of the stuff that happens to "me" is unfair.
Yeah.Really? The only way? What about when you are focused on sensation? You seemed to find peace when you're not chasing thoughts. Isn't "I believe that that's the only way I'll find peace" a thought?
Definitely not.When you are focused on what is happening in reality, without getting distracted by thoughts, is any "control" missing from Life?
This is very important.The key word here is SEEM. When things seem some way, it's a clue that you are chasing a thought. In sensation, things don't seem any way; in sensation there are only colours, light, dark, shapes, sounds, scents, flavours, and tactile experiences. Nothing that seems like anything at all!
Absolutely true."Unfair" is a concept, a judgment, and only is found in thoughts. There is nothing "unfair" in sensation, and nothing is happening to you. Check it!
:) Thank you for asking :)How is it going today? When you are not chasing thoughts?
Does sensation actually "come" and "go"?? Or does focus shift from sensation to thoughts and back to sensation?Sensation still comes and goes.
You have seen the illusion, yet you seem to prefer to live in thoughts. You can have liberation OR chase your thoughts, but not both.I already am liberated and I didn't even know it
Superb!! How good to notice!!I noticed last night that pain is an illusion because there's pain, then there's thoughts, and behind that there's the real world (sensation?). Knowing the real world means that pain can't exist.
Some possibilities come to mind. First, pay attention to your thoughts. When you notice one arise, question it: Is it true? Can you absolutely know it's true? What happens, how do you react when you believe that thought? What would you be without the thought? Can you find evidence for the opposite of the thought?I still get lost in thought from time to time though. Any ideas on how to keep this from happening?
Excitement. But when you told me that I can have either liberation or chasing thoughts, I think I finally got it. It hasn't been happening since then. It was then that I saw what it feels like when I'm about to start thinking, and now it can't take me over again. I can always have either liberation or chase thoughts, and every time I have that thought, there's no way I'm going to cling to illusions. I always tell myself when I have doubts, that I can't have liberation and chase thoughts, and then I feel absolutely rooted, like stone, unmovable. Like nothing in the world could take my freedom from me.Last, what is the purpose of chasing your thoughts? Is it for the excitement? The drama? Is it so you can see yourself as a victim of others' actions? What do you get when your thinking runs wild?