The Gate

Hi Sandy,

If I may I would like to give you some insight into my mind in order to respond to this question:
Last night I was lying in bed on the brink of sleep, fatigued, thoughts flying by, scenarios ensuing, some attachment involved. A painful thought floats by and the response is why the # did that pop up. The counter-thought or mental antidote is. "there is no self here to receive the message". It works the thought floats by.
I have also interpreted from a video on this site that one can see thoughts as like soap bubbles when they appear you can look to see if there is any truth to them and they dissipate or not, however that involves someone looking.

Both these techniques can be effective as ways to point to the emptiness of 'self'. Then, yes, what can thoughts attach to? Where are they coming from? Is there any truth in them? Very good.

You are talking about mental antidotes. But what about without doing these ways of reflecting? Is it clear that in spite of appearances and thoughts to the contrary there has never been a self? A good way to look is to ask 'is there a self here right now'? Take a look.

Remember, we are not interested in appearances. We are not interested in thoughts ABOUT me. We are interested in really looking, seeing if a 'self' can be sensed, heard, touched, smelled, tasted?



love,

Jon

Hi Jon,

No there is no self here.

Love,

Sandy

Hi Sandy,

Ok good. How about 'chooser' or 'decider'? How do things happen? Is the assumption that 'I decide' or 'I choose' more than a thought that lays claim, ownership to apparent choices or decisions? Tell me exactly as you see it now.

Seeing this clearly is often less straightforward than seeing that there is no self. Thought continually announces 'I decided' or 'my choosing'. For an answer, don't jump in immediately unless it is very clear. Don't spend any time workin out an answer. Instead, go to look at experience. When it comes to crossing the road, is there 'deciding' to cross the road, 'choosing' to cross the road or does this almost always simply flow, simply happen? On those occasions when it is thought about it may appear that 'someone 'chose'. But was there any self at all, that did or can do choosing? Look to experience for answers.

If you can, give me another example of how things happen, from an actual experience?

love

Jon

Hello Jon,

Ok good. How about 'chooser' or 'decider'? How do things happen? Is the assumption that 'I decide' or 'I choose' more than a thought that lays claim, ownership to apparent choices or decisions? Tell me exactly as you see it now.

As I see it now , I am going through a bit of an identity crisis, or lack of one. If there is no control over thoughts , there is no control over the outcome of the supposed decision over thoughts. There's no need, there's no want , the angst from willfully clinging to anything is an illusion, rejection is an illusion, everything is predetermined and the universe is unfolding as it is meant to. Everything is just happening as it is meant to. There is no "I'' and language is transforming.

If you can, give me another example of how things happen, from an actual experience?

It was just meant to be that my friend introduced me to this site, it was just meant to be that you are my guide. and as much as I appreciate it , you had no choice.
Love
Sandy

Thanks sandy. Great post.

It may be Tuesday before I can post again but I would like to ask some other guides to take a look at our conversation at this stage.Would that be OK? They can sometimes chime in with very good questions, sometimes they don't but anyway I'd like to do this.

Best wishes,

Jon

Hello Jon,

I really don't mind if they take a look at this post. It is a forum. Take your time. I'm in no hurry . Hope your eye is on the mend.
Love
Sandy

Hello Sandy,

One guide asks this question:

'How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days?'


love

Jon

And another asks this one:

Where is the "I" that has no choice but is still doing?


Jon

Hi Sandy,

On second thoughts, don't worry about answering the second question. Just the first one. There may or may not be further questions as guides take a look at our conversation.

Jon

Salut Jon,

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days?'

It feels peaceful. Life is tranquil.

Love
Sandy

Hi Sandy, thank you for that.

Another guide asks this one:

'How would you describe the seeing that there is no you to someone who has never heard of this?'



love

Jon

Hello Jon,

I would describe the seeing that there is no you as beyond language and description and refer them to this site.

love
Sandy

Hi Sandy,

That was a lovely answer.

I am so glad that you have confidently confirmed that you see no self. The guides have no further questions and I am going to send you a PM message today. Well done ! look out fot the message/


love

Jon.