Letting go

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Re: Letting go

Postby Padmasukha » Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:35 pm

Hi Stacy,
Here are my answers to the Final Questions.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
I don't know where the tendency for it to arise came from.
It appears as thoughts, mostly to do with the language habitually used to describe experience; 'I am hungry', rather than 'hunger is appearing/arising'. It appears most clearly when there is a strong feeling of craving or aversion; 'I' want to be closer to this, 'I' want to get away from that. It seems that the stronger the bodily sensation, the more persistent the thoughts are of 'I'. The sense of 'mine' is also just thoughts, which seem to just arise in dependence upon cultural conventions of thinking to do with possession; my cup, my clothes, my job.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Liberating! Relaxing. Spacious. The belief that there was an 'I' in control of, and responsible for, everything done, said and thought is gone. Although most of the same experiences, actions and thoughts are appearing as before, the stories of 'I' aren't believed anymore. There is more compassion arising in response to things like impatience, clumsiness, forgetfulness and so on that used to be attributed to an 'I' that was then blamed as responsible. The 'I'm like this or that' thoughts still arise, but they're seen to be just views.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Noticing how the conception of a person that is imputed upon a collection of parts - body, habits, ways of thinking, - of fictional movie characters is so similar to how we impute a person on the collection of parts of a 'real' person, including 'this' one. And in conjunction with that observation, remembering Stacy saying "In a way, Descartes was right. Content of thought is ALL you are," and realising that what had been thought of as 'I' was just that - just a collection of thoughts. Then seeing that the conception of anything as an inherently existing thing, e.g. a tree, is created in the same way. All that is there is sense perceptions.
The train of thought that morning had led on from an exercise on looking at an apple: Actual/Direct Experience - Apple, which asks "Is an 'apple' actually known?"
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Decisions are made, e.g. whether to meditate or have breakfast, but there is no self directing that. It's not known what, if anything, is directing or making decisions.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
It's not known where this comes from either. Intentions arise, e.g. 'I'm going to make an effort to meditate more often', or whatever, but they arise without any preceding conscious direction. The label of 'I' is meaningless. Making an intention doesn't necessarily give rise to it being realised; there appears to be no control over that.
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There is none.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
The same as intention. Choices are made, e.g. breakfast or meditation, but it's not known how.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
There is none. Thoughts and actions arise unbidden by any conscious preceding direction or choice.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don't know.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Legally, my actions. In reality, nothing, as there is no 'me' to be responsible.
6) Anything to add?
Much love and gratitude always for all your wisdom and kindness 🙏 🙏🙏

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Re: Letting go

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:33 pm

Hi Step,

That's lovely! I will submit these to other guides to see if we've missed anything. Watch your Private Messages top right for an invitation to Facebook groups, if you're interested.

Good work!

Did you have any interest in becoming a guide here? I know you lead meditations.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Letting go

Postby Padmasukha » Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:49 pm

Hi Stacy,
Thanks for your reply.
I think I'd like to deepen my experience of this before offering to guide. I would be glad to do it though, to pass on the kindness you've shown me.
With thanks and best wishes xxx

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Re: Letting go

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:37 pm

Good morning!

You have crossed the Gateless Gate. Your name is blue now to indicate this and you should have a Private Message above with some information. Good work!

Yes, of course. Take your time & let us know if you'd like to guide.

I am Stacy Ann Clark on Facebook if you'd like to connect there.

Thank you & much love to you, Steph,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Letting go

Postby Padmasukha » Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:45 pm

Hi Stacy,
Thank you so much, again, for all your help here.
It feels weird to have finished this thread, as it still feels like there's so much work to be done! But I read through our whole thread yesterday and can see how much thinking has changed, and seeing opened up, through this process.
Wishing you all the best.
With much love and gratitude, Steph xxxx

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Re: Letting go

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:04 pm

My pleasure!

Yes, here we only see through the first 2 fetters. There is a lot to do just to align our lives to that.

The Buddhists list 8 more fetters. Christiane Michelberger is someone I know, who used to guide at LU, and now guides people through the other fetters. Her site is www.findingawakening.com


Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Letting go

Postby Padmasukha » Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:34 pm

Thank you :-) 🙏 xxx


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