Awakent

[Abner]

-> what IS the direct experience? is the experience "round" or "oval" or other
In direct experience it appears oval.


Thought is memory
-> what IS the thought? it "round" or "oval" or non or other?
The thought is that it is round (from memory).

[Verananda]

ok, so the the question is, wich answer is true?
is it oval or round?

can you answer this question from direct experience?

[Abner]

ok, so the the question is, wich answer is true?
is it oval or round?
The truth is, it is round
From memory (without picking up)

can you answer this question from direct experience?
From direct experience, it is oval...here & now

[Verananda]

so does direct experience say anything about true/not true?

does true/not true exist beyond thought?

Is true/not true more than thought?

[Abner]

so does direct experience say anything about true/not true?
It doesnt say anything about either

does true/not true exist beyond thought?
Not sure I understand question

Is true/not true more than thought?
Not sure I understand question

[Verananda]

you say "The truth is, it is round".
Is this more than thought?
Is there any kind of (direct) experience that "proofs" that this is true?

[Abner]

you say "The truth is, it is round".
Is this more than thought?
No, it is only thought

Is there any kind of (direct) experience that "proofs" that this is true?
Yes, but only if I pick the cup up
I would have the direct experience of seeing
it is round...otherwise it is oval

[Verananda]

what say that the one direct experience (round) is true and the other (oval) is not true?

[Abner]

what says that the one direct experience (round) is true and the other (oval) is not true?

If I dont pick up the cup...only thought/memory

[Verananda]

and when you picjk up the cup?
what says that the one direct experience (round) is true and the other (oval) is not true?

[Abner]

and when you picjk up the cup?
what says that the one direct experience (round) is true and the other (oval) is not true?

Direct experiencing of being able to examin
the cup, and determine that it is round.

[Verananda]

Direct experiencing of being able to examin the cup, and determine that it is round.

what means "being able to examin the cup" and what is the direct experience of it?
is the "direct experience" from 1sec before, e.g. what you have seen one moment before, is it experience or thought right now?

[Abner]

what means "being able to examin the cup" and what is the direct experience of it?

Using my senses

is the "direct experience" from 1sec before, e.g. what you have seen one moment before, is it
experience or thought right now?

it is experience or thought right now?

[Verananda]

is the "direct experience" from 1sec before, e.g. what you have seen one moment before, is it
experience or thought right now?

it is experience or thought right now?

yes.do this:
Look at the cup. you see the opening.
it is round or oval, whatever, in direct experience.
then close your eyes.
Is whatever you have seen before ("it is round"/"it is oval") is this right now experience or thought?

[Abner]

is the "direct experience" from 1sec before, e.g. what you have seen one moment before, is it
experience or thought right now?
Anything from past, even one second, is thought

it is experience or thought right now?
Right now it is experience

yes.do this:
Look at the cup. you see the opening.
it is round or oval, whatever, in direct experience.
then close your eyes.
Is whatever you have seen before ("it is round"/"it is oval") is this right now experience or thought?

It is thought...I am recaling