The Gate

Hi Sandra,

Are you 100% sure there is no "I", self, me, a separate entity, a you inside the body, a thinker of thoughts, a controlling Dianne?

What is Dianne then, what causes the illusion?

Very persistent thoughts.

kind regards
Dianne

Hi Dianne,

Very persistent thoughts.

What is thinking them?
Can they be stopped?
Can they make a you real?

Sandra

Hi Sandra,

What is thinking them?
Can they be stopped?
Can they make a you real?

I don't know what is thinking them, they just appear.
No they can't be stopped.
No they can't make a you real.

kind regards
Dianne

Hi Dianne,

Is Dianne real?

Sandra

Are the thoughts and the familiar sensation of being Dianne, a separate Dianne - a self?

Sandra

Hi Sandra,

Are the thoughts and the familiar sensation of being Dianne, a separate Dianne - a self?

No they are not.

kind regards
Dianne

Hi Dianne,

How are things going? Are we done?
Do you want to answer LU standart questions and see if anything still needs to be looked at?

Sandra

How are things going? Are we done?
Do you want to answer LU standart questions and see if anything still needs to be looked at?

No I'm still not done.

dianne

No I'm still not done.

Then why aren't you talking with me? I don't have telepathic capacities, Dianne! I have no idea of what is happening with you although I sense deep resistence. What is going on?

Sandra

Hi Sandra,

Then why aren't you talking with me? I don't have telepathic capacities, Dianne! I have no idea of what is happening with you although I sense deep resistence. What is going on?

I also sense deep resistance but I don't know why. Before I had to take the couple of week break and couldn't get in touch with you every day I seem to have been going along consistently but lately I only seem to find short answers to your questions and then getting back to what I was doing and forgetting all about it. That doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this as I don't notice any overall change in me. Knowing the answers which I think I am searching for inside myself could have just as easily been taken from the many things I used to read. But that's not how to go about this so I am still at a loss as to where to go from here.
I appreciate all the help you have given me and I'm sorry it all seems to be taking so long.


kind regards
Dianne

Hi Dianne,

I also sense deep resistance but I don't know why.

Of course you don't know why. The idea that it's possible to know the whys is only that, an idea, a thought. Resistance is happening, that's all. Maybe it isn't resistance at all. Maybe you are very clear in all this and crossed the gateless Gate long ago - this is my story :) . At least to me you always sounded very clear about not finding a self. Maybe the only thing that is happening is the natural going on with life, as life.

lately I only seem to find short answers to your questions and then getting back to what I was doing and forgetting all about it.

Wonderful! Why should you keep going at this? To me this says that you are done. Yay!

That doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this as I don't notice any overall change in me.

Why should anything change? The you that could change doesn't exist. Change happens, or not. Change doesn't depend of a you that never existed.

Knowing the answers which I think I am searching for inside myself could have just as easily been taken from the many things I used to read.

We are not looking for answers and never were! Crossing the Gate is only about the simple seeing that there never was, never is, never will be a real self, an I, a separate you in reality. It's very simple to see this. If there aren't fears and expectations of how this should be in the way of acceptance.

But that's not how to go about this so I am still at a loss as to where to go from here.

There is nowhere to go. This is IT. Very persistent thoughts included. This is Home.

I appreciate all the help you have given me and I'm sorry it all seems to be taking so long.

I also appreciate what you're doing and your persistence, Dianne. It takes the time it takes. How could IT be different?

Sandra

Hi Dianne,

dian wrote:I also sense deep resistance but I don't know why.

Of course you don't know why. The idea that it's possible to know the whys is only that, an idea, a thought. Resistance is happening, that's all. Maybe it isn't resistance at all. Maybe you are very clear in all this and crossed the gateless Gate long ago - this is my story :) . At least to me you always sounded very clear about not finding a self. Maybe the only thing that is happening is the natural going on with life, as life.

I don't think so. I would like for you to be right about that when it does happen, but it's not yet.

dian wrote:lately I only seem to find short answers to your questions and then getting back to what I was doing and forgetting all about it.

Wonderful! Why should you keep going at this? To me this says that you are done. Yay!

Sorry still can't agree with you there. I don't know why I'm being so stubborn but I haven't gone through the gate yet.

dian wrote:That doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this as I don't notice any overall change in me.

Why should anything change? The you that could change doesn't exist. Change happens, or not. Change doesn't depend of a you that never existed.

I just feel that I would notice something different even if it's just the way I view circumstances.

dian wrote:Knowing the answers which I think I am searching for inside myself could have just as easily been taken from the many things I used to read.

We are not looking for answers and never were! Crossing the Gate is only about the simple seeing that there never was, never is, never will be a real self, an I, a separate you in reality. It's very simple to see this. If there aren't fears and expectations of how this should be in the way of acceptance.[/qu

I still am not feeling I'm through the gate.

dian wrote:But that's not how to go about this so I am still at a loss as to where to go from here.

There is nowhere to go. This is IT. Very persistent thoughts included. This is Home.

dian wrote:I appreciate all the help you have given me and I'm sorry it all seems to be taking so long.

I also appreciate what you're doing and your persistence, Dianne. It takes the time it takes. How could IT be different?

Whatever time it takes I am willing to put in to be through but I understand if this is driving you crazy and you want to give up.

kind regards
Dianne

Whatever time it takes I am willing to put in to be through but I understand if this is driving you crazy and you want to give up.

You can't drive me crazy. Only thoughts can... apparently :)

I haven't gone through the gate yet.

Then let's keep going, exciting yes? How are you feeling about this? Tired of the search? You said that you forget to look. Why?

I just feel that I would notice something different even if it's just the way I view circumstances.

Nothing changed since we started talking? Really?
Can you talk a little about this expectation? How would it be, to see circumstances differently?

Hi Sandra,

You can't drive me crazy. Only thoughts can... apparently :)

I will try very hard not to but that doesn't seem like something an "I" has any control over.

Nothing changed since we started talking? Really?
Can you talk a little about this expectation? How would it be, to see circumstances differently?

I guess my expectations would be to see that life is living without input from me. To notice that there is life going about doing what it does and I would feel less interested in past and future and more interested in right this minute. Maybe just one clear moment when I could think aha that's what it feels like. I read through the posts of others on this site and they seem to reach a point where they are quite certain there is no going back they are through the gateless gate but I don't seem to have that certainty.

kind regards
Dianne

I will try very hard not to but that doesn't seem like something an "I" has any control over.

hmmmm, what do you see an "I" controlling? For one day take a notepad and a pen with you and make a list. I want to know what you think is being controlled by an I. Really curious in fact, looking forward to reading the list. And if you don't write the list I'm gonna think there is no you there who can control what is done, so make sure to convince me that you are controlling something!

I guess my expectations would be to see that life is living without input from me.

Well, good luck with the hoping that your expectations will match reality. Life is being lived without a you here right now. At this moment, where can you see a you making inputs?

To notice that there is life going about doing what it does and I would feel less interested in past and future and more interested in right this minute.

Can you see a you interested in past and future? Where is it?

Maybe just one clear moment when I could think aha that's what it feels like.

Can you see a vampire? No? How do you know there isn't a vampire here?
How does it feel to see there is no vampire here?
Did you even bother to look?
Why should an aha happen? Would an aha satisfy you? Would the thought "yes, this is it!" satisfy you? Would the thought be believed?

I read through the posts of others on this site and they seem to reach a point where they are quite certain there is no going back they are through the gateless gate but I don't seem to have that certainty.

It's a question of acceptance of what can't be experienced! It's a question of acceptance that This is IT, even the doubts are IT, even the dissatisfaction is IT. It's a question of acceptance that this seeing isn't something special that will cause special experiences that prove it. The only thing needed is to drop what isn't real and look.