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graceabounds
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Re: Seeking guidance.

Postby graceabounds » Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:39 am

Good.
We’re not backing off now. :)

The confusion, fog, collapse of certainty: that’s exactly what happens when the false center begins to lose control.

Now look again — right now, not in memory:

Where is the one who’s stuck?
Find it. Don’t explain. Don’t analyze.
Just point.

Can you?
Or is it just a sensation + a thought = “I’m stuck”?

maybe not against me but certainly doesn’t seem like a “friend.”
Good. It’s not.
It’s not an enemy either.
It’s not anything.
It’s just unfiltered life, unclaimed by anyone.

The mind wants a position.
It wants “this is good” or “this is bad.”
Refuse.
Let it scream.

Circling back to this exercise:

Here is an exercise which examines the way in which the mind labels experience - it takes about 20 minutes and you will need a pen a paper.

This exercise is broken into 10 minute lots. For each 10 minute period pay attention to any bodily sensation ie is there any tightening, or any relaxing?

For the first ten minutes write down what you are experiencing right now using the word “I”.
For example: I am sitting on a chair, I am hearing a clock ticking, I am looking at a computer screen, I am feeling hungry. Get right to the point, no past or future fantasy, just a plain description of your experience right here and now.

Then for the next ten minutes continue writing down what you are experiencing but this time without using the word “I”. Just describe the experience as it is happening using verbs. For example: sitting on a chair, typing, breathing, blinking, hearing the clock. (Again, watch what is happening in the body.)

At the end of the twenty minutes compare the two ways in which the experience was labelled and answer the following four questions:
1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one?
2. What is here without labels?
3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?
4. Did you notice any differences in the body?

And now a progression:

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’. But there isn’t. Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’ , what is the actual experience?
Is the colour red ‘experienced’, or is the colour green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?
Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?
Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?
If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Seeking guidance.

Postby JFK1974 » Fri May 02, 2025 1:25 pm

Hey I am sorry. I have tried multiple times to respond. Wouldn't come up at work or home.

Anyway,
Now look again — right now, not in memory:

Where is the one who’s stuck?
Find it. Don’t explain. Don’t analyze.
Just point.

Can you?
Or is it just a sensation + a thought = “I’m stuck”?
The one stuck is this image of me. Thoughts and sensations. I see it. Doesn't make it any easier or less believeable but it is seen more and more.
Good. It’s not.
It’s not an enemy either.
It’s not anything.
It’s just unfiltered life, unclaimed by anyone.

The mind wants a position.
It wants “this is good” or “this is bad.”
Refuse.
Let it scream.
I am trying to see it as a program not an enemy. I have been thanking it for trying to help. I do see the "good" and "bad."

It is screaming. Nonstop. It's tough. Doing my darndest to observe.
At the end of the twenty minutes compare the two ways in which the experience was labelled and answer the following four questions:
1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one?
2. What is here without labels?
3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?
4. Did you notice any differences in the body?
And now a progression:

You know when I did this the other night, I didn't really have one being truer than the other beyond the thoughts about it wondering which one felt different.

Without labels, it is "this." Seeing, hearing, smelling, etc.

Labels describe it but really don't affect the experience unless the mind gets involved judging and complaining.

I will say the second way was a litting more relaxing. Less judgemental or analytical.
There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’. But there isn’t. Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’ , what is the actual experience?
Is the colour red ‘experienced’, or is the colour green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?
Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?
Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?
If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?
The red is experienced not the green until further thoughts occur about the word. The green is an overlay of the red color. The label suggests something different than the experience.

The color is not affected by a different word. The mind chimes in judging.

Different note, had some clarity last night. Mind got quiet for awhile. Kept asking myself, "what is here without thought?" and I spent time just seeing, hearing, etc. Everything relaxed a little.

Not so much right now. mind and body are very active. Lot of sensations flooding me.

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Re: Seeking guidance.

Postby graceabounds » Fri May 02, 2025 2:06 pm

Yes, the site has been down for several days. Seems like everything is back to normal now. Here is my email if this happens again: becca@supportedawakening.com


Great, you can see it: the screaming, the labelling, the judgment, and the relief that comes when the mind doesn’t hijack the experience. That’s clarity. But now — this moment — what are you doing?….
You’re identifying again.

“I’m trying.” “It’s hard.” “It was clearer yesterday.”
Stop.

Look NOW. Not yesterday. Not tomorrow. Not what’s happening “in general.” What is the raw experience of this moment?

Flooding? Screaming? Fine.
Where is the one being flooded?
Point.
Is it not again just raw sensation + thought = “me”?

See if there’s any experiencer in the experience — not the label, not the story, but the direct sensation. Go right into it. Don’t think. Feel. Let it play out. Let it have you. Refuse the mental commentary.

Keep going with “What is here without a thought?” on repeat !

So without the thought “this is too much” — what is actually happening? Strip it. Describe just what’s present in the body right now. Use NO interpretation. Only sensation.

Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Seeking guidance.

Postby JFK1974 » Sat May 03, 2025 3:41 pm

Great, you can see it: the screaming, the labelling, the judgment, and the relief that comes when the mind doesn’t hijack the experience. That’s clarity. But now — this moment — what are you doing?….
You’re identifying again.

“I’m trying.” “It’s hard.” “It was clearer yesterday.”
Stop.

Look NOW. Not yesterday. Not tomorrow. Not what’s happening “in general.” What is the raw experience of this moment?
Raw experience- sensations. A lot of them.
Flooding? Screaming? Fine.
Where is the one being flooded?
Point.
Is it not again just raw sensation + thought = “me”?
Yes it is raw sensation + thought. It’s evident. Still rough. Who? This person. This mind. This body. This image.
See if there’s any experiencer in the experience — not the label, not the story, but the direct sensation. Go right into it. Don’t think. Feel. Let it play out. Let it have you. Refuse the mental commentary.
I am and feeling as much as

Keep going with “What is here without a thought?” on repeat !

So without the thought “this is too much” — what is actually happening? Strip it. Describe just what’s present in the body right now. Use NO interpretation.


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