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[Ghata]

Hi Cyberogue,

thank you for your answers :-). I like how you see the self like a computer programm attaching itself to everything.

I have a few more questions for clarification.

No – there is no separate entity.

Has there ever been an I or a self as a separate entity in any form or shape?

Responsibility is heightened by a sense of awareness that the distance between “me” and “others” is not tangible. Decisions and intentions are more universal in there effect. There seems to be no change in choice around decisions.

Putting thoughts aside, can you find responsibility in direct experience? If yes, what is it made of?


Please describe how decisions and intentions have a universal effect when looked at in direct experience.

Nothing to control, and all control seems to be fairly illusory, other than control of reaction to thoughts and emotions as they arise. Choice is more constantly reminding that they are temporary. However, there is still the distinct possibility to choose, and that is a way of impacting or exerting influence on the world. Responsibility comes out of that.

Looking into it directly, please describe in detail how the control of reaction and choosing is done and who does it.

What does the impact and influence on the world look like in direct experience? How is it done exactly? And who does it?


With much love,
Ghata

[Cyberogue]

Hi Ghata,

Has there ever been an I or a self as a separate entity in any form or shape?

No. There has never been a separate entity in any shape or form. If there was such a thing, it would negate there being one now - how could it be, and then not be? The fiction is created as a thought form of the world, so no.

Putting thoughts aside, can you find responsibility in direct experience? If yes, what is it made of?

No. Responsibility is a thought, an idea. There isn't a sense of responsibility when i go looking for it with direct experience. When looking at this, even a concept of "connection" is still a thought. My mind tells me that we are connected, but actually there is rather the sense of not finding a lack of connection, rather than an idea of what the connection is.

Please describe how decisions and intentions have a universal effect when looked at in direct experience.

I do not know how to distinguish being from the process of acting in the world. Acting in any form comes from a decision, it is from or caused by a thought. In that sense from the moment i act in the world, i understand that i am responding using thoughts and emotions. Decisions and intentions are thoughts. They are not an "I", but they have an effect on the world. In that sense the effect is also simply something that happens, that is labelled after. The idea of wrong or right, correct or incorrect is a label. There is no way to talk about decisions, intentions or effect without being inside the world of thoughts.

Looking into it directly, please describe in detail how the control of reaction and choosing is done and who does it.

What does the impact and influence on the world look like in direct experience? How is it done exactly? And who does it?

Control is a thought, like "I". Impact and influence are thoughts, like "I".

So these are all just part of the program of "I", not any more real than that.

Cyber

[Ghata]

Hi Cyberogue,

lovely answers, thank you :-).

I'll ask the other guides to see whether we covered everything or whether they have any more questions. That might take a day or two.


With much love,
Ghata

[Ghata]

Hi Cyberogue,

there are some more question:

1.What is it exactly that can control reactions to thoughts and emotions as they arise?

2. What can choose anything that may or may not impact the world and how is that anyone's responsibility?

3. What is making decisions and intentions that have universal effect?


With much love,
Ghata

[Cyberogue]

HI Ghata,

Lol. I have to smile. This is like the riddle of sphinx.

1.What is it exactly that can control reactions to thoughts and emotions as they arise?

Nothing. like the "I" there is no "thing" to control reactions as they arise. Only thoughts to label and respond to them.

2. What can choose anything that may or may not impact the world and how is that anyone's responsibility?

The choice is an illusion too. There is nothing behind the choosing, so the idea of the choice is also circular and ends with more thoughts. As to responsibility, that is also not something that can be attributed to anyone. This part my thoughts fight hard against, I want to believe different, but i see that its just what it is, there is no responsibility for "anyone"

3. What is making decisions and intentions that have universal effect?

A thought. Or multiple thoughts. Its believing that decisions and intentions have a source, and therefore an effect. No separate entity means that there is no source, there are thoughts that impact on more thoughts. the effect is labelled in that world, but not in direct experience.

Cyber.

[Ghata]

Hi Cyberogue,

welcome home. :-)


I am sending you a PM (see top of the page in the blue field)


With much love,
Ghata