Re: The "I" doesn't know
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:42 pm
Have you seen through the illusion of the separate self?
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If there is no self, who gets identified?It's happening in waves whereby the separate self is seen, then there are moments when identification returns, followed by clarity again.
Sometimes there is a knowing that there is no self.If there is no self, who gets identified?
Awesome.At the moment, this whole game can be clearly seen for what it is.
The only existence of a separate entity 'self' appears in the form of a thought. It holds the same value as the other 30,000 or so thoughts people have every day. For the last 40 odd years, this thought was believed in, now it is seen for what it is.1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
The illusion of the separate stems from previous habitual thinking patterns, conditioning and the reinforcement from society. It is like the essence of who we truly are (or consciousness) is taking on the beliefs that our thoughts are creating. These beliefs are obscuring the recognition of the true self by engulfing and consuming us to seemingly take on the role of a character. This character is fiction and has no impetus, once it is seen for what it is.2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
Feelings come and go, we are not the feelings but when I sit quietly and contemplate the question, it feels like it could not be any other way, we are the absolute, we always were the absolute and grace is helping us return back to our natural state.3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
I was constantly asking myself, what, where and who am I? This was merely a mind exercise and there was a knowing of this as well. It was like consciousness itself was driving the separate self insane in order to recognise itself.4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
There is an understanding of this question, yet there is also a tendency not to answer. The reason is that decision, intent, free will, choice and control are all concepts and ideas. If we ask the mind this question we could receive infinite potential answers. If we ask the essence of who we are, it becomes obvious - there is no self, therefore who needs to attend to these notions of choice, control etc..? Every moment, every thing, is being taken care of.5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How
does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Hasten to add, as adding may subtract.6) Anything to add?