I would like seeking to stop

[Windaway]

And the sense that it's a mistaken and something needs to be fixed. And then there's the whole seeking malarky.

From the limited and localize perspective A LOT of things need to be fix. Which is normal and fine.
What is wrong with drinking when there the need to fix thirst?
What is wrong with taking a shower when there is a need to fix the sensation of being dirty?
What is wrong trying to oriente our environment, society and the univers to fix our preference and needs?

Those are simply the natural movement of Life expressing from a limited perspective.
This limited perspective is Life itself who has created it. So anything that is happening for you is an expression of Life.

Freedom from the anxiety of fixing things is not about stopping this energy but seeing clearly that there no entity behind this movement. See that all of that story is like farting in a tornado with the hope of affecting it.

The way to work with that is focus more on what is here as sensation and perception (Direct Experience) than the activity of thoughts:
Actual/Direct Experience - Apple

Have a look at an apple. If you have a ‘real’ apple, you can use it for this exercise.

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When looking at an apple, there's colour; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."
What is known for sure? Colour is known and thoughts are known.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?
Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought. Actual experience is sound, thought, colour, smell, taste, sensation.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only colour and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?
Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by ‘looking in actual experience ‘. What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labelled ‘apple’ is known
Colour labelled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labelled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labelled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known
However, is an apple actually known?

[lupin]

From the limited and localize perspective A LOT of things need to be fix. Which is normal and fine.

I haven't read the remainder of your reply yet but I wanted to explain that what seems/seemed needing to be fixed wasn't something in the world. Yes, I understand that it's natural to want to fix things outer things but what seemed to be 'wrong' was something internal, the way of viewing life. And that led me to seeking. Now U will go on to read about the apple. I see that I was going off into lots of thinking.

[lupin]

That U should have been I.

[lupin]

I read a bit General Semantics - the map is not the territory - many years ago. The apple brings that to mind. Amazing how quickly thought jumps in when, I was only handling a ball of wool and seeing that it was not the name. :)

[lupin]

However, is an apple actually known?

I only know what the senses register. The colours, weight, taaste etc. I know that the word apple is a label. I don't know what is an apple is other than those. I understand what is meant by direct experience and I see that thought adds individual labels to what is experienced.

[Windaway]

I only know what the senses register. The colours, weight, taaste etc. I know that the word apple is a label. I don't know what is an apple is other than those. I understand what is meant by direct experience and I see that thought adds individual labels to what is experienced.

Do the same exploration but this time instead of using the word apple, use the word: Lupin.

[lupin]

Do the same exploration but this time instead of using the word apple, use the word: Lupin.

Quick answer - Thats a lot more difficult. Bye the way - let me introduce myself Lupin = Marian. To be contd......

[lupin]

Do the same exploration but this time instead of using the word apple, use the word: Lupin.

I haven't been able to come up with an answer 'yet'. There's a yet because there still seems to be one. So I'll carry on trying to find it until I either give up or it's recognised that there isn't one to find.

[Windaway]

Hello Marian,

Yes, keep looking ^^

[lupin]

Is the 'me' identity a hypnosis?

[lupin]

There is no evidence to support it in direct looking and yet it still seems to be there.

[Windaway]

Hello Marian,

There is no evidence to support it in direct looking and yet it still seems to be there.

When you use the word there. What are you point to?

What is present in your Direct Experience other than, thoughts, sensation and perception?

[lupin]

What are you point to?

A mental conclusion. I don't know if that makes sense to you. It's like something that was decided in the far past and has solidified as being real. It's not in direct experience but lingers in the background ready to be called upon.

What is present in your Direct Experience other than, thoughts, sensation and perception?

Something that knows/is aware of thoughts, sensations etc. Witnesses them, is concious of them. The hearing of the sound etc. A sense of being separate from the sensations.

[Windaway]

A mental conclusion. I don't know if that makes sense to you. It's like something that was decided in the far past and has solidified as being real. It's not in direct experience but lingers in the background ready to be called upon.

Stories about how belief come into play have its place.

But at the point where you are now let's be clear that there is no time ouside of thought. As thought IS time.
So there is no " far past".

There is also no solidity in thought either. We often associate the dimension of thought with the quality of space, like far away, solidity, the hiding aspect of object. There is this "impression" that a thought hide another the way a cloud hide the sun. But there is no space in thought. In the dimension of thought noting is hidden or secret.

Where is this background you are talking about?
This background that you speak about seem more like a sensation.

What is present in your Direct Experience other than, thoughts, sensation and perception?

Something that knows/is aware of thoughts, sensations etc. Witnesses them, is concious of them. The hearing of the sound etc. A sense of being separate from the sensations.

Interesting, is this "aware thing" an entity called Marian?
Is this "aware thing" a separate entity call a person?

[lupin]

Interesting, is this "aware thing" an entity called Marian?

I don't know if there is an 'aware thing'. But there is awareness of things. The awareness is there before things are named, including Marian.

Is this "aware thing" a separate entity call a person?

No. 'I am seeing' for instance, is a description of what's already happening before the person comes in claiming it.

Where is this background you are talking about?

Just the thought dimension that is ready to jump in.

thought IS time. There is no " far past".

I was in a thought story and believing it to be true.