seeing not just intellectualizing

[vinceschubert]

Good morning T, i normally see the shark easily. i wear glasses for both short and long vision.
i can get a fuzzy shark without the glasses.
When seeing the shark with glasses, if i shut either eye, the shark disappears.
So it depends what you are referring to when you say that your eyes are not perfect. Can you see this text clearly ?
If so you will be able to see the shark.

love

vince

[tissetatten]

Hi


So this is what im doing now?
Wating to see a shark and reply?
Iv stared at that pic for long periods of time i havent seen the shark. Shour i could probably train my eyes to see it in a few weeks or months.
If thats what the aim is here

[tissetatten]

Hi i was wondering does thibgs like this bother you?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s

[vinceschubert]

Hi T,

Iv stared at that pic for long periods of time i havent seen the shark.

you won't see it if you're looking at it the same way. You have to vary the way you look at it.

Shour i could probably train my eyes to see it in a few weeks or months.

No you couldn't. Just like awakening is not a matter of training, so this isn't.
Seeing the shark is no big deal.
Learning to be flexible in the way you look at it, is.
It's not what you're looking at, but what you are looking with.

Hi i was wondering does things like this bother you?

(Well, that's 2 1/2 hours i won't get back) No, i went through that stuff about 20 years ago.
The thing is that you can contribute to the healing as wisely and best that you can, so there's no use worrying about the bigger picture.
When you are awake, ways to contribute will offer themselves for action.
Part of my contribution consists of helping people to wake up. At a guess, i've guided 60 or 70 to liberation. If every one of them liberates only two others that would be another 130 + 70 original = 200. ...and that's not counting the flow on effect.
Do you think that makes the world a better place and more likely to behave in a sane way ?
The way i see it (my story) is that all of the ills of the world like a failed capitalism, a failed democracy, corrupt governments and corporations, that all of these are like the final fever of a flu. That is that it is an uncomfortable healing crisis which is the final overthrow of bacteria (or virus) before health is restored.
Certainly the delusions that the unawakened operate under, are propagated by the elite (the conservatives)
Voting Green and a modest financial support for a progressive social group (GetUp) are other way i contribute.
After taking what action i can, all that is left is to relax and be present. Life is good.

love

vince

[tissetatten]

Hi

Learning to be flexible in the way you look at it, is.
It's not what you're looking at, but what you are looking with.

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Well i guss ill keep looking. Looked at it with one eye, upside down, squinted, from far, from close, through it, above it, below it, with one eye. Nothin'.

relax and be present. Life is good.

Well i guess ill keep working on me then..


Tnx

/T

[vinceschubert]

Good evening T,

Well i guess ill keep working on me then..

No. i want you to cease completely trying anything.
Just look, and casually look at yourself looking. Don't even worry about how well you are doing that.
Think of it this way. There is one side of your brain that wants structure and order. It needs to know what you are doing and what an expected outcome is. It's a control freak. We want this brain to shut down.
The other side isn't the slightest bit interested in detail. It's creative. It's what get activated when you are in the zone playing music. It sees things in broader strokes.
This is what you need to be looking at the stereogram with.
This is what you need to be seeing the consequences of no self with.

love

vince

[tissetatten]

Hi

Just look, and casually look at yourself looking. Don't even worry about how well you are doing that.

Ill give it a go


<3

[vinceschubert]

How are you going T ?

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[tissetatten]

Hi

Havent seen the shark yet.
How im doing.
Im stressed. I have to decide if im going to start studying this week..school starts tomorrow, ill go and see how it feels. Very scary for me.

How r u?

/T

[vinceschubert]

Hi u,

Havent seen the shark yet.

Just look at it for no more than a couple of minutes each time. Come with fresh eyes each time. That is, look at it differently.
Imagine that it is 100mm thick, from closest to you to furthest away from you. Look at a different level each time.
One time with sharp focus. Another with soft focus. As many variations as you can imagine.
Make seeing the shark a happy by product of the looking. (not the prime objective)

Im stressed.

Are you still smiling or laughing when you recognize the horror stories start ?
They say that it takes 66 days to establish a habit. It's been 45 days since i first asked you to do this. Have you seen evidence of it becoming habitual yet? (has it happened automatically ?)

I have to decide if im going to start studying this week.

Ok, i know that it seems as if you will be making this decision because the words come out of your mouth, but try this. Just watch the decision happening on it's own. Not because of fear or desire, but because of many conditions that add up to it.

ill go and see how it feels. Very scary for me.

Yes, scary can be a bit exciting and enticing, or fearful and to be avoided. It will be one of the conditions that contribute to the decision. ..but of course, what it is in the beginning, isn't necessarily how it will be further in.
The opportunity to change the direction of your life-ing is another condition that will contribute.

How r u?

Experiencing is mostly pleasant here.

love

vince

[tissetatten]

Hi again..


Ok il try looking at the shark differantly and see what happens..

Are you still smiling or laughing when you recognize the horror stories start ?
They say that it takes 66 days to establish a habit. It's been 45 days since i first asked you to do this. Have you seen evidence of it becoming habitual yet? (has it happened automatically ?)

This time its been way harder. Because iv feelt like iv been in a dire situation that i have to figure out. So iv been more lost and identifyed with my thoughts then ever. And sometimes i remeber to smile. But it just feels like a machanical action not that it gives releif or anything at that moment. I still beilive i have to figure things out and make dessisions.

I have to decide if im going to start studying this week.

Well im looking at this closely because i haven officially made my mind up yet. I was at campus on friday and got some info and the course starts today. All week will be 2hour lectures and then it really starts, i havent heard back from some jobs yet so im waiting on those answers as well. Iv asked my 2 best friends what they think i should do (they think i should study) and since its music somthing that i love it has that pull to it as well. Actually now that im writing this i am feeling a bit exited and happy. But other times im in total panic i still feel this extreme urge to live in a monistary or something. I feel like everything els other then finding out the true nature of things and myself is just postponing, distraction, getting lost in the illusion.

There is a lot of fear and resistance. And im so tired of being this way


/T

[vinceschubert]

Good evening T,

sometimes i remeber to smile. But it just feels like a machanical action not that it gives releif or anything at that moment.

It isn't meant to bring relief. (although eventually it may)
The whole point of it is to establish a habit. The habit of recognizing the point of departure into suffering.
At this stage you may still go into suffering even though you recognize that you are about to. ..but as the habit establishes, you will more and more have the (apparent) choice not to.
Without recognizing that point there is no choice. The horror story will take over and suffering ensues.

So iv been more lost and identifyed with my thoughts then ever.

..and it's the nature of those thoughts that creates the suffering.
Recognizing the point of departure, will eventually give rise to a different kind of thought pattern.

I still beilive i have to figure things out and make dessisions.

If you can watch how the decision to study or not, forms, you may catch a glimpse of how decisions actually happen.
Just keep the witness mind active when anything to do with your future is present.
Notice all of the conditions that contribute to the decision forming.

i havent heard back from some jobs yet so im waiting on those answers as well

..a condition.

Iv asked my 2 best friends what they think i should do (they think i should study)

..more conditions

its music somthing that i love it has that pull to it as well.

..another condition
Of course, some conditions have a bigger influence than others.

Actually now that im writing this i am feeling a bit exited and happy.

..a condition (a big one)

But other times im in total panic i still feel this extreme urge to live in a monistary or something

..another condition

I feel like everything els other then finding out the true nature of things and myself is just postponing, distraction, getting lost in the illusion.

The idea that anything other than what you are experiencing is real(ity), IS the illusion.

There is a lot of fear and resistance. And im so tired of being this way

Yes, it must be exhausting. Like jumping up and trying not to come back down.
It's so futile and unnecessary.
There is no escape from What IS.
Resist it and it becomes stronger.
By totally accepting it, will it change.

love

vince

[tissetatten]

recognizing the point of departure into suffering.
At this stage you may still go into suffering even though you recognize that you are about to. ..but as the habit establishes, you will more and more have the (apparent) choice not to.
Without recognizing that point there is no choice. The horror story will take over and suffering ensues.

Today i had a clear such moment. I was walking after a lecture (felt bad through the entire 2 h lecture) was walking in the swedish cold winterweather feeling like shit overthinking of all the must does and suddenly i remembered to smile and noticed that i could then and there concentrate on the here and now instead of the thinking. Looking at the wet ground, feeling the cold watching the road and signa to the library, tje buildings on campus, the coffee i was drinking.

If you can watch how the decision to study or not, forms, you may catch a glimpse of how decisions actually happen.
Just keep the witness mind active when anything to do with your future is present.
Notice all of the conditions that contribute to the decision forming.

Well yes i have been watching, i know all of the things i mentiond are conditions, asking my friends, not hearing back from the job thing, loving music, my fears and so on.
Today i applyed for a student loan so it seems like im doing this (i still write seems because i nevwr belive im doing something untill im actually doing it). I felt like shit douring the lecture, but somehow doing something new seems like a smarter choice then doing what i have been doing that hasent been working. So im giving this a try, everyone around me seems to think this is a goos idea. So ill give it a try, i can always quit and work instead if its to hard.

Yes, it must be exhausting. Like jumping up and trying not to come back down.
It's so futile and unnecessary.
There is no escape from What IS.
Resist it and it becomes stronger.
By totally accepting it, will it change.

Yes i have the tendancy (when i crisis) to want to figure out every possible outcome from now till as far as i can
So i can make the best choice. I havent mastered the whole "let go and let god" thing. I have to relax somehow.

<3

T

[vinceschubert]

Good evening T,

and suddenly i remembered to smile and noticed that i could then and there concentrate on the here and now instead of the thinking.

Brilliant! Great! The conditions for it to happen were aligned and it happened. ...and did you see that as you were in the here and now, that the stories that would have propelled you into suffering didn't happen? (at least in the same way)
This 'breaking of the ice', may well portend many more happenings like this (and even better)

Today i applyed for a student loan so it seems like im doing this (i still write seems because i nevwr belive im doing something untill im actually doing it).

This happening is also a condition. ..and see how life just rolls these things out in front of you ?
..and you are actually seeing the doing of it progress. (one condition at a time - or maybe several at the same time.)

So ill give it a try, i can always quit and work instead if its to hard.

Ah, seems like a decision has happened.
Do you see how it evolved, rather than being made by a self ?

Yes i have the tendancy (when i crisis) to want to figure out every possible outcome from now till as far as i can
So i can make the best choice.

Yes, that's how we have been trained (conditioned) It's interesting to watch that stuff happen, while realizing that the idea of personally making a choice is actually delusion.

How many layers have you explored with the shark ?

love

vince

[tissetatten]

Hello

Brilliant! Great! The conditions for it to happen were aligned and it happened. ...and did you see that as you were in the here and now, that the stories that would have propelled you into suffering didn't happen? (at least in the same way)

Yes i saw that. And i know thats what happens but for me if i have an issue (problem) something that has a deadline like this school thing i want to use every minute i have to figure out the best choice.
So i dont want to focus on the here and now when i have "decissions" to make. I have smiled and the same thing happened i was brought back to the present moment.

Today i applyed for a student loan so it seems like im doing this (i still write seems because i never belive im doing something untill im actually doing it).


"This happening is also a condition. ..and see how life just rolls these things out in front of you ?

I see parts of it yes. I applyed to the program out of panik and because it has musik in it, and because of my grades,

Ah, seems like a decision has happened.
Do you see how it evolved, rather than being made by a self ?

Well it hasnt been made yet, i bought the books (but i can return most) iv been there this week but i havent liked it so far at all, were supposed to go to schools and "work" as part of the training. I dont like that i just want to go to lectures, read and do my exams i dont want to go to schools and work with kids. Another condition i worked 1 day as a substitute teacher and i hated it. i dont like kids (dont know why).

So as you can imagen im still thinking and feeling terrible trying to make a dessision i now have 1 day left to make up my mind. (Even though i know what your going to say, im not the one deciding)
still watching this thing it will be interesting to see if i learn anything.

How many layers have you explored with the shark ?

I didnt quite get how to look at it in layers but iv tryed looking from like my noze to the space between the pic to on the pic to "trought" the pic. Tryed to not event think that there is a shark, trying to find the shark.. nothing yet





/T