Seeking the end of Seeking

[Hopefulness]

Hi again,

I expect to be at peace with what is, not wanting a different experience than the experience now. I expect that thoughts "lose truth" and fear, shame and guilt decrease. Being at peace with current experience.

What do you find IN EXPERIENCE other than thoughts of me, that has an expectation, which is itself just another thought? Is the thought of me different than the thought of expectation?

Does the "I" thought have any more weight, importance, or be any more "true" than the expectation thought?

[Govinda]

What do you find IN EXPERIENCE other than thoughts of me, that has an expectation, which is itself just another thought?

IN EXPERIENCE I find seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling.
Thoughts of expectation and of "me" are maybe also part of experience but illusionary.

Is the thought of me different than the thought of expectation?

both fictions

Does the "I" thought have any more weight, importance, or be any more "true" than the expectation thought?

the thought of "I" and the the thought of expectation are equally untrue and weightless. maybe "I" appears as more real while it isn`t...

[Hopefulness]

Hi again,

IN EXPERIENCE I find seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling.

Seeing: Does seeing need the character Sebastian to happen or is seeing just happening?
Hearing: Does hearing need the character Sebastian to happen or is hearing just happening?
Smelling: Does smelling need the character Sebastian to happen or is smelling just happening?
Feeling: Does feeling need the character Sebastian to happen or is feeling just happening?
Tasting: Does tasting need the character Sebastian to happen or is tasting just happening?

Look closely. Don't these things happen by themselves? Do they need "you" to do them?
Does your heart need "you" to pump?
Do your lungs need "you" you breathe?
Do you tell the body sweat?

Life did all of those things before "you" were created.
Life doesn't need "you" to happen, does it? Life doesn't need "Sebastian" to function, does
it?

Time to let go. Look closely.

[Govinda]

Hi again,

IN EXPERIENCE I find seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling.

Seeing: Does seeing need the character Sebastian to happen or is seeing just happening?
Hearing: Does hearing need the character Sebastian to happen or is hearing just happening?
Smelling: Does smelling need the character Sebastian to happen or is smelling just happening?
Feeling: Does feeling need the character Sebastian to happen or is feeling just happening?
Tasting: Does tasting need the character Sebastian to happen or is tasting just happening?

Look closely. Don't these things happen by themselves? Do they need "you" to do them?
Does your heart need "you" to pump?
Do your lungs need "you" you breathe?
Do you tell the body sweat?

Life did all of those things before "you" were created.
Life doesn't need "you" to happen, does it? Life doesn't need "Sebastian" to function, does
it?

Time to let go. Look closely.

[Hopefulness]

Hi again,

Tell me about control.

[Govinda]

Hi again,

IN EXPERIENCE I find seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling.

Seeing: Does seeing need the character Sebastian to happen or is seeing just happening?
Hearing: Does hearing need the character Sebastian to happen or is hearing just happening?
Smelling: Does smelling need the character Sebastian to happen or is smelling just happening?
Feeling: Does feeling need the character Sebastian to happen or is feeling just happening?
Tasting: Does tasting need the character Sebastian to happen or is tasting just happening?

Look closely. Don't these things happen by themselves? Do they need "you" to do them?
Does your heart need "you" to pump?
Do your lungs need "you" you breathe?
Do you tell the body sweat?

Life did all of those things before "you" were created.
Life doesn't need "you" to happen, does it? Life doesn't need "Sebastian" to function, does
it?

Time to let go. Look closely.

All bodily functions happen by itself without "me" doing it.
Thinking seems to be owned by "me" at most, but it also happens without "me" being in control.

[Govinda]

Hi again,

Tell me about control.

That`s an interesting question. Thoughts say that "I" am in control. ""I" can control breathing, acting, thinking, speaking, etc. and "I" am responsible for it".
But I guess, that control is just a thought and illusionary. there is no one to be in control. maybe life itself is.

[Hopefulness]

Hi again,

Nice start. Intellectual understanding comes first. Now let's put it to the test. First of all, don't think of control as control. That always implies or contains a doer. From now on, the question is only action or reaction. Action is an act of will undertaken as a primal mover. Reaction is a secondary movement as a response to action from life. Action is control, reaction is not. From now on, stop at various moments during the day and ask the question, "Is action happening according to "my" own free will, or is there simply reaction going on to what life has presented either in this moment, or some obligation presented in the past but not yet acted upon yet.

Notice every morning when you open your eyes, life is already ahead of you and in your face demanding that you act to survive or else. Pay close attention to the demands of the game in every moment. Notice that even when "you" think you have out-witted it, it has still won, because its only object is to compel you to react.

So here is the exercise. Bring me one example of something "you" did of your own free will and not as a reaction to an action initiated by life, and by life, I mean life as defined in the broadest possible terms.

[Govinda]

Hi again,

Nice start. Intellectual understanding comes first. Now let's put it to the test. First of all, don't think of control as control. That always implies or contains a doer. From now on, the question is only action or reaction. Action is an act of will undertaken as a primal mover. Reaction is a secondary movement as a response to action from life. Action is control, reaction is not. From now on, stop at various moments during the day and ask the question, "Is action happening according to "my" own free will, or is there simply reaction going on to what life has presented either in this moment, or some obligation presented in the past but not yet acted upon yet.

Notice every morning when you open your eyes, life is already ahead of you and in your face demanding that you act to survive or else. Pay close attention to the demands of the game in every moment. Notice that even when "you" think you have out-witted it, it has still won, because its only object is to compel you to react.

So here is the exercise. Bring me one example of something "you" did of your own free will and not as a reaction to an action initiated by life, and by life, I mean life as defined in the broadest possible terms.

I don`t really understand the exercise. Is sitting in the sun compelled by life?

[Govinda]

So here is the exercise. Bring me one example of something "you" did of your own free will and not as a reaction to an action initiated by life, and by life, I mean life as defined in the broadest possible terms.

In the broadest possible terms life is not separate from "free will".

[Hopefulness]

Hi again,

Explain.

[Govinda]

Hi there, have been on a non duality Retreat and another Trauma Healing Retreat the last weak.

Hi again,

Explain.

"Free Will" is part of life; not separate from life.

[Govinda]

Hi again,

Explain.

You wanted to know an action that is not initiated by life in the broadest sense. I answer that life in the broadest sense is everything. Nothing is separate from life in the broadest sense.

[Hopefulness]

Hi again,


Your answers are tending more towards the theoretical than the practical. Let me be more specific. Name one ACTION that the body/mind complex takes during the day that is proof that "Sebastian" performed an act of free will. This could be something as simple as getting a glass of water, going to the bank, watching T.V., or anything else.

[Govinda]

Hi again,


Your answers are tending more towards the theoretical than the practical. Let me be more specific. Name one ACTION that the body/mind complex takes during the day that is proof that "Sebastian" performed an act of free will. This could be something as simple as getting a glass of water, going to the bank, watching T.V., or anything else.

Playing a computer game might be an act of "free will", isn`t it?