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Hi Nenad

so how come I have my memories and not yours?

Boris

Hi Boris,

In regard to the posture question - yes it does arise as a thought that my posture denotes past habits or lines in my face past emotions. However the thought would not come without the history of my posture/facial lines etc.

How do you know that?

so how come I have my memories and not yours?

You are still assuming that memories are personal, that there is one set of memories per each person. So, it seems to make sense that memories you are aware of belong to Boris and that you are unaware of memories that belong to other people, for example Nenad. But do you see that if memories are not personal, not belonging to Boris, then those memories that you are aware of, are the only memories that exist?

Best,
Nenad

Hi Nenad

The thought about posture?facial lines etc is fairly recent, the thought is that I wouldn't of had the notion without the years of developing a posture/lines etc, the thought comes in relation to reflected apon experience.

Yes I am still assuming that my memories are personal and if you can let me know one of 'my' memories i will update my view, and I am assuming you wont be able to do this as memories are in some way personal to me.
I can stretch to memories not 'belonging' to me in the sense that if I get Altzheimers, there will be precious little ownership of memories, the continuity of a history will be broken up, my self sense will be shown to be a fragile conditioned phenomenom with no secure status, which it is anyway. That much I can buy, lack of personal memory I can't. All best Boris

Hi Boris,

The thought about posture?facial lines etc is fairly recent, the thought is that I wouldn't of had the notion without the years of developing a posture/lines etc, the thought comes in relation to reflected apon experience.

Is that relection upon experience or reflection upon memories?

Yes I am still assuming that my memories are personal and if you can let me know one of 'my' memories i will update my view, and I am assuming you wont be able to do this as memories are in some way personal to me.

I agree that only you are aware of memories. But you are not a person. Just because Boris seems to show up in experience more often than other people, doesn't mean that you are Boris. Is there any direct experiential evidence that you are a person called Boris?

Best,
Nenad

Hi

1st? I can see lines in my face so a clear experience and I can remember not having so many, so a memory, but more accurately a bit of deductive reasoning.

2nd ? Boris is a name i made up so a construct - In direct experience any name is a bit of a bolt . However,if there is an assumption that the only things in existence are those in Direct Experience, then the conundrum comes that i posted earlier about never experiencing Iceland but am convinced there is a place called Iceland in existence.

Yours struggling Boris - will do a longer post when battery recharged

Hi Boris. I am having some huge internet issues here. I wont be able to reply in the next few days or so. In the meanwhile take a look: What is this "conviction"that Ireland is out there? If thoughts say that ireland must be out there, does it mean it is really somewhere out there?

Hi Boris,

I'm back :)

1st? I can see lines in my face so a clear experience and I can remember not having so many, so a memory, but more accurately a bit of deductive reasoning.

Yes, only a memory. Is memory anything more than a thought showing up right now? Is it an evidence that something happened in the past?

2nd ? Boris is a name i made up so a construct - In direct experience any name is a bit of a bolt . However,if there is an assumption that the only things in existence are those in Direct Experience, then the conundrum comes that i posted earlier about never experiencing Iceland but am convinced there is a place called Iceland in existence.

As I asked, what is this "conviction"that Iceland is out there? If thoughts say that Iceland must be out there, does it mean it is really somewhere out there?

Hi Nenad

The conviction that Iceland is 'out there'is a believed thought - it could be that Iceland has sunk into the ocean and is no longer 'there', but that is not what I believe. I believe something which I do not have direct experiential knowledge of, as with many other things.

One example which I could have knowledge of is dreams, I often know I have been dreaming but cant remember the dream. There are aspects of the ongoing flow of 'me' that I am unaware of, even if I could possibly become aware, like going to Iceland to check it out directly.

The tendency is to locate a self in the 'conscious of process', that which an 'I' seeems to be aware of an it - where there is conciousness the tendency is to feel that is myself. Must go, just as my reflections are taking me somewhere!

Best Boris

Hi Boris,

The conviction that Iceland is 'out there'is a believed thought -

Is this thought beieved by someone/something? Or is it just that other thoughts say that this thought is true?

One example which I could have knowledge of is dreams, I often know I have been dreaming but cant remember the dream.

Do you know that you have been dreaming? Or do you know of thoughts which say that you have been dreaming?

There are aspects of the ongoing flow of 'me' that I am unaware of, even if I could possibly become aware, like going to Iceland to check it out directly.

Are there aspects you are unaware of? Or are there just thoughts about aspects you are unaware of? If the later, aren't you completly aware of those thoughtsabout unaware aspects?

The tendency is to locate a self in the 'conscious of process', that which an 'I' seeems to be aware of an it - where there is conciousness the tendency is to feel that is myself.

Does someone/something have such tendency? Does someone/something feel that as itself? Or are ther just thoughts about someone/something having a tendency to feel that as itself?

Must go, just as my reflections are taking me somewhere!

Do you folow those reflections? Or do those 'reflections' just show up (some of them saying that you folow reflections)?

Best Nenad