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[Anastacia42]

Good, now let's look at this:

3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?

Yes they affect it. Labels "shrink" the experience according to my bias and attach a meaning to it depending on when/where etc...

Label-Reality Correlation

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’. But there isn’t. Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?

Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

Let me know what is SEEN.

Loving,

[Ilsognatore]

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?
I see the color green

Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?
The color green is seen inside my mind

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?
I only experience green I did not even notice the red until it was mentioned, actually, I could not understand why you did mention RED in the beginning.

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?
It overlays my experience

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
The redness emerges more but only because it was brought to my attention, otherwise I would see it just as a marker as if you'd used BOLD or Underlined. Red does NOT come to my attention.

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?
It has zero effect on me.

Let me know what is SEEN.
That's what I SEE

[Anastacia42]

Hi,

And this is why you think there's a "self" when there is no such thing. You're believing thoughts.

Thoughts are fiction.

It would be correct to see red. There's no green anywhere, except in your mind. You have it completely backwards.

Please look again & follow the Colored Sock instruction (read it again until you understand what is being asked) to report only Direct Experience & ignore all content of thought.

Can you do that?

Loving,

[Ilsognatore]

I think we need to change terms here now as I SEE green and not red.

I have very few "thoughts", I mostly SEE images through my brain, words become images for me. So the second I read GREEN my brain SEES green and sends that to the mind. The red is skipped as a non-necessary information.

That does not mean I believe it's me who sees green. That is a brain sending signals, interpreting what hits the retina and is sent to the back of the brain to be analyzed and then to the frontal cortex to be made into an acceptable interpretation.

I am far from believing I am that.
What I am is far beyond that interpretation but you asked for a detail and I answered according to that.
If you want me to follow the script I have to know what you want me to do with more details. Not sure if it's my neurotypical brain but I get lost in the description.

Where are you going with this?

What I understand you call Direct Experience is also an interpretation... If my stomach cringes— or I experience the color red for that matter— and you see it as a fact, that too is an interpretation of a microscope neuro-chemical reaction happening in the cells of a muscle who contract in response of a biochemical signal released from a nerve.

I taught mindfulness, I understand observing...
I simply don't understand these instructions, the semantics of it and what it is meant to help me see.

Thanks,
Simona

[Anastacia42]

Have you read any of "Gateless Gatecrashers?" Maybe that will help some.

If you're clinging to the thought of green when the letters are plainly red, you're hallucinating. I don't know how to help with that.

Yes, it's all interpretation. But we use it as a springboard.

I'm not going anywhere with this. I've already done this. You, however, if you can see the red, can become clearer. This is not semantics.

You're lost in thinking, in your mind. You're denying the experience of your eyes. Again. I don't know how to help with that.

[Ilsognatore]

Well then I thank you for your time and will move on.
Following the example of lie as a contraction and truth as an expansion (that are also interpretations of physical states) I feel a lot of contractions in doing this.
Sorry, not for me. Too mental.
Thanks again and have a lovely day

[Anastacia42]

It's exactly the opposite - nothing mental.

Good luck!

[Ilsognatore]

I'm sure it is for you and others. But if I can't understand what you're saying than it quite the opposite.
But it's all good. All of this just made me SEE how there's really nothing else I need DO aside get rid of the junk that's in my head to BE.
Thanks and good luck to you too

[Pernille21]

Hello Ilsognatore I am sorry I am inserting myself in the conversation. Stacy suggested that I reached out to you here.
I just wanted to say that I recognise your experience.
I am autistic and I completely 100% relate to what you say.
I too struggle with directions.
And particularly tests like that is confusing and not really helpful for us to discover the mental formations since we (as you say) do not see the colour of the text but instead see the colour that the word describe.
Todd (my husband) is helping me out all the time!
I have started an autism/ADHD series on my channel where I address issues we experience and I am supporting neurodivergent in dropping identification. https://youtu.be/6wFtnQrfUdk?si=Htv4ifkI-Wlx0hXy

If you go to the channel you can also use the curriculum to help you see through the different ways we identify.
You will quickly find that our perception and experience is very different than what the neurotypical one is.

We also have a Hive-Mind community on Discord where you can connect with other people on the spectrum.
I hope to see you there.
Much love

[Ilsognatore]

Thank you Pernille!
Fun fact I was already binge watching your video. And in all truth quite surprised I had not find them earlier given my constant research and path but I assume it was not rhe right moment.
I truly thank you for addressing the matter and writing to me personally, it is quite true your video make a whole lot more sense and have explained things I wondered for quite some time.
Thank you again and much love to you too.
How do I join the discord group?