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[Anrol]

There are birds being heard , warmth from the sun being felt , pain being experienced and thoughts saying “ I don’t know “ . The thought processes needed to write this message feel as if generated by a me .

[Anrol]

There is an observer of the thoughts which then appears to comment on the arrising thoughts . Just more thoughts I guess but seem to come from somewhere else because they seem to provide answers.

[Elad]

There are birds being heard , warmth from the sun being felt , pain being experienced and thoughts saying “ I don’t know “ . The thought processes needed to write this message feel as if generated by a me .

"Feels as if generated by a Me" Whenever that happens look into what is that? Is there a me? What does "feel like" refer to?

[Elad]

There is an observer of the thoughts which then appears to comment on the arrising thoughts . Just more thoughts I guess but seem to come from somewhere else because they seem to provide answers.

Is there "an observer of the thoughts"? Where? Question all beliefs.

[Anrol]

Hi Elad,

Today has brought the opportunity to see that the thoughts and the observer are the same , both thought . A conversation between what appears to be 2 happens but it is just all coming from the same source. It’s the getting hooked thing again. The only true answer is in the moment. Something I’ve been hearing for many years and have had experience of the power of this , but it has not been seen with such clarity as is happening now. Yesterday I experienced contraction after the bliss of the day before. I saw the thought tenancies turn into habitual negative reaction's but this time I looked deeper. The physical pain I was experiencing grounded me so that I had to give attention to it . I realised that there is an expectation that there should be blissful feelings more frequently. Seeing the arising of needs in each moment without the constant dilemma of what to do next has brought great freedom. Actually I have just realised that this is always the case it’s just that sometimes it appears less obvious or easy what to do. This is just part of the game and no less worthy when the seemingly “ right” choices are made , so there isn’t a me doing any of this but there has been a belief that things should be a certain way. Sorry to ramble but it helps to process in this way. Hope this makes sense.

[Elad]

Hi Elad,

Today has brought the opportunity to see that the thoughts and the observer are the same , both thought . A conversation between what appears to be 2 happens but it is just all coming from the same source. It’s the getting hooked thing again. The only true answer is in the moment. Something I’ve been hearing for many years and have had experience of the power of this , but it has not been seen with such clarity as is happening now. Yesterday I experienced contraction after the bliss of the day before. I saw the thought tenancies turn into habitual negative reaction's but this time I looked deeper. The physical pain I was experiencing grounded me so that I had to give attention to it . I realised that there is an expectation that there should be blissful feelings more frequently. Seeing the arising of needs in each moment without the constant dilemma of what to do next has brought great freedom. Actually I have just realised that this is always the case it’s just that sometimes it appears less obvious or easy what to do. This is just part of the game and no less worthy when the seemingly “ right” choices are made , so there isn’t a me doing any of this but there has been a belief that things should be a certain way. Sorry to ramble but it helps to process in this way. Hope this makes sense.

Beautiful Anrol. It's great you rample to process and express the deepening clarity, keep doing that!

So is there a self anywhere?

Is there anything you can or need to control?

Is there any doubt?

[Anrol]

No not in this moment, but I have seen this before and then there are times where there is so much darkness I can’t see it. This makes me then question the whole process . I felt that starting to happen yesterday but realised that was where I get pulled under . Why do we get pulled under when there has been so much light ?

[Anrol]

Because without the darkness there would be no light 😊

[Elad]

Yes!

So is there a self that can get this or lose this?

Is there anything you can control or understand here?

[Anrol]

Last night there was a very clear seeing that there is no self . I was at a gathering of people at a friends house, something I usually avoid at all costs I have had a belief they I am socially awkward and uncomfortable in such environments. None of these beliefs showed up and I conversed in a way not often experienced. There was total free flow of speech with no thought before hand. I listened to this voice and that spoke without fear or self judgment because there was no self to judge . There was nothing to control and nothing to understand. Just listening to what arose in the moment. It was a very different experience. 😊

[Elad]

Last night there was a very clear seeing that there is no self . I was at a gathering of people at a friends house, something I usually avoid at all costs I have had a belief they I am socially awkward and uncomfortable in such environments. None of these beliefs showed up and I conversed in a way not often experienced. There was total free flow of speech with no thought before hand. I listened to this voice and that spoke without fear or self judgment because there was no self to judge . There was nothing to control and nothing to understand. Just listening to what arose in the moment. It was a very different experience. 😊

Wonderful!!!

And now?

Is there are self or a controller now?

Has there ever been.will there ever be?

[Elad]

Try also this exercise:

Nature Exercise

Go out into nature and spend some time watching the movement of the whole. See how clouds move, trees swing, leaves wiggle, grass moves, insects, birds - all move all the time.
Then move focus to sensations and see how they too are in constant motion, thoughts come and go, sounds, colours, sensations come and go.
Notice that everything is part of one movement.
Then close your eyes and see if there is a line between you and out there, between you and life itself. If yes, where is the boundary?
Is there an inside and an outside of Life?
Is there something which is not included in the movement of the whole?
Is there a witness that is watching life happening from a distance? Is witnessing part of the one movement too?
Is there anything which is not just happening?
Go out, come back and tell me what you found.

[Anrol]

And now ? Well another day which contrasted completely with the one before. Confusion and frustration reigned, but this brought with it an insight, if there is a controller then why would I be choosing to feel this way ?! The physical pain is experienced and a thought comes which says it is distracting me from being able to focus so that I can be in the blissful state again. Today this was seen and realisation that this is not a choice followed .
The nature exercise was a unique one . I laid on a trampoline in the garden and did as instructed and the heavens opened but I didn’t move. I was wearing glasses so was able to look up and see the rain falling into my face. I have never done this before. It gave a really amazing opportunity to experience the apparent meeting of a physical action with a sensation . As the rain hit my face I was aware of the immediate sensation , after a while they seemed to happen simultaneously . It felt as if the rain was dissolving the apparent boundary.

[Elad]

And now ? Well another day which contrasted completely with the one before. Confusion and frustration reigned, but this brought with it an insight, if there is a controller then why would I be choosing to feel this way ?! The physical pain is experienced and a thought comes which says it is distracting me from being able to focus so that I can be in the blissful state again. Today this was seen and realisation that this is not a choice followed .
The nature exercise was a unique one . I laid on a trampoline in the garden and did as instructed and the heavens opened but I didn’t move. I was wearing glasses so was able to look up and see the rain falling into my face. I have never done this before. It gave a really amazing opportunity to experience the apparent meeting of a physical action with a sensation . As the rain hit my face I was aware of the immediate sensation , after a while they seemed to happen simultaneously . It felt as if the rain was dissolving the apparent boundary.

Great noticing and beautiful experiencing right there.

So keep looking: there is no self, never was. Is it conclusively true?

[Anrol]

Hi Elad,

On the whole I would say yes but I’m perplexed by this ….. if thoughts are real , they are not generated by a “self” yet it is thought about worries in the past and future which create suffering which create this story of a “self”. So if all thought is real and emanates from the same place how can it all be real yet be the cause of the perceived self at the same time. I ponder also that thought is so intensely unique how can we all be being provided with different thoughts all the time ?

Love and much appreciation ,

Anrol