The Gate

I did the exercise 2 times. Both times the answer was the same.
I'll continue to do the exercise a few more times.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror?

No connection. The image in the mirror is seeing.

Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?

Thought arises that there is a connection. But the connection cannot be found in DE. It's different sensations of seeing the colors in the mirror, or feeling the body (whatever is labeled as body)

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of
movement in the mirror?

No.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and the image ‘of
movement’? Or only thoughts suggest it?

No connection. Movement is a concept. There is no movement in direct experience. Only sensations. Movement is interpretation of the sensory experience. Thoughts suggest that the hand moves, but the actual experience is... hard to describe. Air hitting, pressure in this location where "hand" is. Flickering.

Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’?

No. It's just a thought of familiarity arises – "my body" is implied somehow. But not in DE. In direcft expeirence it's just colors, lights, textures, shapes.

Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all?

No.

Or are there only colours and shapes?

Colors. Shapes are more tricky. It's more 2 dimensional? Meaning the shape is determined by the colors – there is no spaciality in the image at all. I don't know about shapes. But "colors" label corresponds to real phenomena. "Shapes" label not so sure. If I didn't know shapes would that still be a shape

Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only
thoughts and mental images suggest so?

Thought arises – knowing that there must be legs, because it's the missing part of the body. But it's just a thought.

In actual experience it's just what it is. Seeing something. Or just seeing.

Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only
sensations?

No body, just sensations. There is pressure in the feet area from standing. But the feet area is just ballpark, it's impossible to locate correctly. It's just a description.

Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?

Sensations only. Changing. In DE there is no body walking.

Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?

No, just sensations that are labeled walking – raising legs, movement of the thighs etc.

Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?'

Thought about giving meaning to the sensations – learned that it is walking.

Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?

Body is not found in DE. Only seeing of the differrent components, movement, scratching – differnet actions that seemingly compose body. But it's just a thought that categorizes or puts all the concepts together.

Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?'

No walking. It's also a description for various sensations.

Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only
an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any location?

This one is interesting. Sensations seems to be localized in space but space seems to be a concept also.
There are only sensations that are just arising "somewhere". That "somewhere" doesn't really have a location since up left right down etc. are just more concepts...

Very interesting.

Hello again Adam,

Hi Nic! It's daytime here – I'm in Europe Poland UTC/GMT+1. I am happy you also get something out of these interactions.

I am located in the Pacific Northwest UTC−08:00, a Canadian living in Washington State at the moment!

Arises – pop. Vanishes – pop.
No idea from where and no idea where it went back to. There is no telling.
All is well I suppose and DE takes the stage more and more it seems.

It's amazing the closer you look at a belief or thought they do seem to vanish...

Yes! Still learning to appreciate that. The change was subtle. The mind tries to grasp onto it again and label it "progress" but then again it doesn't hurt. It just arises and it vanishes. Doesn't stick. Life goes on.

This is great!

There is fear that it is all scripting and self-deception.
That it cannot be this simple.
And yet – these are more thoughts about scripting, about scripted, about deception.
They popped and left leaving no trace whatsoever.

There is beauty to be found in simplicity, but I understand the fear. But I think you understand what fear is now and that when you search for it it dissolves?

Labels seeing, hearing, feeling, etc. Are also seen as concepts. Only communication for pointing, since what's the point of distinguishing between them all? Who distinguishes? Who decided the label?

Beautiful seeing.

Is there anything that remains?
Nothing seems to remain since it all changes.

Yes, the impermanence of life is truly mysterious

So now the attachment is revealed – it's just reducing yourself to something that's devolving.
"It feels like devolving" – the thought arises.
"Why reduce experience to this if there is this rich narration going on?"
"Why abandon intellect for just raw direct experience, if direct experience is always here?"
"Why not use these filters to live? What's the point of dropping them?"
"Is clear seeing better than filtered seeing with preprocessed ideas and stories?"

But do you have to let go of intellect? Of fantasy? Of enjoying a coffee in the morning and listening to a favorite podcast or show? Or maybe it all seems so much richer without being identified with it having to be a certain way? Can you just let it flow?

About me. I love my dogs and training them with friends is one of the most enjoyable things I do in life. Competitions and trials, it's so enriching for me and them. I love to learn as well and can get addicted to podcasts if I'm not careful. Guilty pleasure. I also love to write and trying to put words to a non-dual experience is truly challenging and exciting. Nothing wrong with concepts either, it's way of explaining our existence with a limited language that cannot give justice to the experience. Life for me is so much more beautiful without the stories and labels. I can love people for who they are without needing them to change. Is suffering still there? Perhaps in a strange way that I now find certain wonder and peace in. Curiosity. Do I still react? At times I feel the familiar sensation in my body and think about the story that used to be attached to it, the label. But, I can mostly smile and shrug it off. I do feel I've lost certain things but gained so much more in return that the loss is wonderful.
Those thoughts came to me reading what you wrote, maybe they might be helpful, maybe I'm a madwoman rambling. Who knows and that's the amazing thing of it all!

Life is happening without control.
It doesn't take that much time to realize that.

Exactly

I read through your last body inquiry and think you have insights that are so on point. Do you have any further questions? Any doubts or fear that are still there and troublesome? Anything that still needs to be explored?

Warmly, Nic

Hello Nic! Never been to the USA or Canada, but it is there on the list. Quite a difference in time!

There is beauty to be found in simplicity, but I understand the fear. But I think you understand what fear is now and that when you search for it it dissolves?

Yeah, simplicity is also a label, right? Is it normal that every thought seems like a label now and a story? Including even this thought about being normal? And the commentary one too?
What a joke haha! :)

Fear doesn't exist in reality.
Only sensations in different forms are labeled fear.

Fear is a label and doesn't exist.
Sensations and thoughts that arise exist, but the content is empty.
Seems so obvious now.

"Yes, the impermanence of life is truly mysterious "

And the mystery isn't going away any time soon!

"But do you have to let go of intellect? Of fantasy? Of enjoying a coffee in the morning and listening to a favorite podcast or show? Or maybe it all seems so much richer without being identified with it having to be a certain way? Can you just let it flow? "

Nothing to let go of, since intellect isn't real. What is intellect? When looking for it in DE there is none.

I did edit out the "I" from the previous sentence. Why would I do that?
Just something that happens. A habit that is persistent but seen through.
Habit is a thought.
"I" is a thought.

And nobody can let go of anything.
An "I" thought cannot let go of anything. There is no power there.
If enjoyment happens, it happens for no one and without a cause.

The path was so mesmerizing to the seeker that any enjoyment seemed like a distraction.
I guess it was – without it, there would be no burning desire for clear seeing.
But then again – that's a story.
Stories on stories on stories.

Peculiar. Enjoyment happens, but there is no control over what is happening.
Cannot let anything flow or not flow.
Reality is inevitable, huh?

Thank you for your pointing.

"About me. I love my dogs and training them with friends is one of the most enjoyable things I do in life. Competitions and trials, it's so enriching for me and them. I love to learn as well and can get addicted to podcasts if I'm not careful. Guilty pleasure. I also love to write and trying to put words to a non-dual experience is truly challenging and exciting. Nothing wrong with concepts either, it's way of explaining our existence with a limited language that cannot give justice to the experience. Life for me is so much more beautiful without the stories and labels. I can love people for who they are without needing them to change. Is suffering still there? Perhaps in a strange way that I now find certain wonder and peace in. Curiosity. Do I still react? At times I feel the familiar sensation in my body and think about the story that used to be attached to it, the label. But, I can mostly smile and shrug it off. I do feel I've lost certain things but gained so much more in return that the loss is wonderful.
Those thoughts came to me reading what you wrote, maybe they might be helpful, maybe I'm a madwoman rambling. Who knows and that's the amazing thing of it all!"

Thank you for sharing your story.
That's a beautiful and honest description of life in a nutshell.

Dogs, and animals are sooo full of the purest love. I live with 2 dogs and one is a 16-year old chihuahua that transformed the way this one looks at animals and dogs in general. And babies – seems there is more in common with my 1 year old son now than any adult lol. But I knew that already – now it just seems like the
next logical step. Mind can and does create so many beautiful stories. There is a space to enjoy it now.
Wrote 2 books about desires and manifestation myself and I guess I am not really into that much anymore. But they belong to the dream and I'll let it be as it is.

Smiling and shrugging becomes the new modus operandum.
Wow. It does huh?

It is a madhouse in a sense, but I do enjoy the views more now hahaha.
Nobody knows and nobody cares and there is no judge anywhere in vicinity haha.
But still I feel saner than usual.

And using the "I" is not as creepy anymore as it used to be.

"Do you have any further questions? Any doubts or fear that are still there and troublesome? Anything that still needs to be explored? "

Nothing arises at the moment.
Only space and time seem like the next step to dissolve, but is there such a thing in reality? Not really. I can see that now.
The walking exercise proved as much, but the appreciation and noticing of that is still unfolding I suppose.
So the direct experience of writing is that it's writing by itself, the rest of the field of vision fades away somehow and becomes blurry. So the sensation of tapping fingers, sounds, lights from the monitor, the warmth of the laptop. Writing just happens and I don't see any thought that makes the next word come out of the thing, it's all automatic and it became super obvious right at this very moment. If I look at the thoughts during that writing it's like the mind is trying to catch up the writing and all that and labels each word in the sentence. Also, there is nobody anywhere. It's just hands and sensations connected with hands. But are they body? I don't know. I don't have proof that they are.

So the space and time in this context is all that is happening. But there is no such thing in reality, right? The entire focus is condensed into this general area where sensations arise and vanish and leave no trace whatsoever.

The question was... is this how it's supposed to look like in DE? But then again the question doesn't make sense and is dissolved for DE is self-evident, and it is the final answer. There is no questioner.

I am open to further investigation and challenge of all these apparent insights, and deeper exercises.
If there is anything left to explore.

Thank you for everything, Nic.
Your pointing helped to see.

Eternal gratitude,
Adam

Hello Nic! Never been to the USA or Canada, but it is there on the list. Quite a difference in time!

It is a big different in time, but seems to work!

Yeah, simplicity is also a label, right? Is it normal that every thought seems like a label now and a story? Including even this thought about being normal? And the commentary one too?
What a joke haha! :)

It is normal once you see through self because that's truth, although in my experience it relaxes in time. And yes, it does seem like a cosmic joke at times!

Fear is a label and doesn't exist.
Sensations and thoughts that arise exist, but the content is empty.
Seems so obvious now.

Good!

I did edit out the "I" from the previous sentence. Why would I do that?
Just something that happens. A habit that is persistent but seen through.
Habit is a thought.
"I" is a thought.

Exactly

Thank you for your pointing
Thank you for sharing your story.
That's a beautiful and honest description of life in a nutshell.

You're welcome

Dogs, and animals are sooo full of the purest love. I live with 2 dogs and one is a 16-year old chihuahua that transformed the way this one looks at animals and dogs in general. And babies – seems there is more in common with my 1 year old son now than any adult lol.

This. So much this. Animals have no sense of self and neither does a baby. They just live in the beauty of experiencing their world as it is, no stories or labels.

But I knew that already – now it just seems like the next logical step. Mind can and does create so many beautiful stories. There is a space to enjoy it now.

Amazing, so happy for you.

Smiling and shrugging becomes the new modus operandum.
Wow. It does huh?

It certainly does!

Nothing arises at the moment.
Only space and time seem like the next step to dissolve, but is there such a thing in reality? Not really. I can see that now.

I'll share an exercise and you can explore this.

The question was... is this how it's supposed to look like in DE? But then again the question doesn't make sense and is dissolved for DE is self-evident, and it is the final answer. There is no questioner.

Beautiful, you know the answers to all your questions it seems :)

I am open to further investigation and challenge of all these apparent insights, and deeper exercises.
If there is anything left to explore.

There is! I'd like to ask you some final questions and I'll bring your answers to the other guides. They will confirm that you have seen through self or have questions of their own to help you see deeper if needed. Sound good?

Thank you for everything, Nic.
Your pointing helped to see.

I'm so glad to hear this, warms my heart :)

Final Questions:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

I look forward to your answers! And no need to rush, please take your time.

Warmly, Nic

Hi Adam,

If you're interested in exploring time and space this may be a good starting point for you. I really enjoyed this myself.

Time Exercise:

There is a general assumption that there is linear time that started (if started at all)
somewhere very far in the past and advances to the distant future. The present moment
(now) is considered to be a very small fragment of time, or an event that is moving forward
on a linear line, coming from the past and advancing to the future.

But is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?
Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?
Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?
How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?
Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?
How long does the ‘now’ last?
Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?
When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?
What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?
So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

Warmly, Nic

Hi Nic, The time exercise was... interesting. Wow. How many do you have that deconstruct all of these concepts lol? Is there like a guide-playbook for that? Reality Deconstructing 101 haha?

But is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?

"Now" being a label. Looking in DE cannot find such a thing. No experience of NOW.

"Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?"

Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?[/quote]

No. One sensation arises, ends, and another begins. There is no following in DE, only Mind creates a narration of continuity of the gaps (thought).

When I look even closer there is no arising or passing. It just is each and every moment. All movement looks illusory and like a mind trick which helps to navigate DE.

How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?

Can't tell. Depending on the definition provided by the label. But in DE it's not even moving. Is-ness, or Is-ing would be the closest description lol. Being? No fast or slow, because it needs a point of refrence and a definition that's totally imaginary.

Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?

No. Nothing to prove the beginning.

How long does the ‘now’ last?

It doesn't even last.

Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?

No idea.

When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?

No idea. It never does become anything.

What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?

There is none, for it is a label. Seeing, hearing, tasting, feeling, smelling and thinking happens right now. Even if there is a thought-representation called "past moment" and uses an imaginary version of any of these it's imaginary and not actual.

So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

No actual experience of time. Thoughts about time arise, in various ways – past, present, future, planning, intentions.
But the content doesn't represent the DE – only mental impressions thereof.

Onto the final questions then...
What a ride.

Hey Nic! The final questions/answers are here:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

Only a label arising. There is no "entity" at all.
In actual reality there is no such thing as self me or I. In any way shape or form.

I can only speak from DE and there is no "ever" either, since time is also a label arising that has a value of ZERO, as not-existing-in-actual-reality. It cannot be found in DE – neither "was" nor "there" nor "ever".

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

TL;DR: It doesn't exist. There is no illusion of a separate self in reality. It's a story.

It's a thought arising plus a feeling of perspective behind the "eyes", or "heart area", or some other area that has a feeling arising with some quality that seems "selfing" in the moment.

It's labeled "I" or "me", but it's just a label that points to nothing at all. It's just an assumption that doesn't withstand looking.

There is no actual or direct experience of that -> There is a feeling. The thought arises. But that's it.

Sense of center, or a central axis around which experience is happening, but the core is empty of meaning or value, or real representation. It's a construct. It's imaginary.

It works as a habit that is formed at some point through some causal ways, that are beyond comprehension.
No idea how, why or when.

It's as relevant as any other thought and it is less real than an image of a speck of dust in the room.

Fueled by many different layers of "illusion" like "emotions", "own thoughts" or "own body". They seem to congregate around this special idea of "I", but when looked for the separate self doesn't appear.

It seemed to start in the "past" or "childhood" but it may have also been even before birth, or before the birth of the universe (all concepts that have zero value in DE).

There is a thought that it is autonomous, or outside of creation, or causing things to happen, or witnessing, or awareing etc, which is preposterous – since it just arises and vanishes in a given moment.

It layers over the DE with a filter that is made out of thought. It distorts perception as cloud distorts the sky, yet it isn't actually here/there and the sky of direct raw full-on experience is.

It's also the main narrator and storyteller. It gives descriptions, value statements, regurgitates facts, regurgitates beliefs, has inspirations, motivations, or whatever else arises and claims it's its own creation. It's like a false-god of sorts, that tries to imitate by mental fabrications what is happening.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

TL;DR: It feels complete, yet unfolding. Before, the seeker was on a spiritual quest, and after seeker was seen as a fabrication. Then, after seeker, every concept proved to be fiction/fabrication. Including all the labels, senses, and reality itself. There is just this.

It feels like an answer to a non-existing question. There is nothing but DE and it's evident without the clinging to the idea of existence of the separate self, or any self at all. The perception is gone, time space, world, universe, mankind, ideology, religion. Every-thing is gone and the pure unfiltered raw experience of sensations. (that are of themselves empty of anything).

Before the dialogue, there was an evident feeling of "ripeness" or "tiredness" with all the spiritual stuff.
There was a mild headache of unresolved business or stuff.
It is no longer so.

Thank you. Since I started 5 days ago, it has been one big blob of amazing pointings and dialogues that skillfully helped to peel away the layers of illusion. A few stories that were still playing apparently in the "background" but they were seen through and let go of.

There is an ability to clearly see, unobstructed by the content of experience.

It feels like there is nothing to be done anymore in this regard.
No more spiritual quest.
No more questions apart from arising from nowhere and vanishing into nowhere.
Just as a part of unfolding and function, but nothing to cling to or focus on.
Unfolding still happens and there is no telling if this will persist but seeing has happened, the veil has been seen through.

There was no big bang, as the expectation stated, it was extremely subtle and sneaky sort of.
The echo chamber of the mind just collapsed while writing the answers to the questions regarding pointings. It was labeled as a thought in "retrospect" sort of. A lag was evident.

For example: There was a thought – Oh, so the universe is also an imaginary construct. Seeing dissolved the universe. The idea of universe or God, or anything is just nonsensical, while before it was all ONE Godhead/Awareness. It just doesn't exist at all. It would imply two things, and reality obviously not-things, it is not-two. Just as an example. More examples like seeing that others don't exist (it's also somethign that was understood intellectualy before but now it's experiential).
There is nobody here! No me, no other, no you. Only sensations arising and passing away in their mysterious origins, and there is no detective to dig anymore. There is no need to dig, all is available here and now.

The flickering sensations remain, yet what flickers and what is this "something" I have no idea.

When the flickering of sensations is closely investigated it vanishes as a concept and only THIS remains.
And there is no need or want to know. There is nobody to need or know anymore.

There never was. What a strange journey it has been. There is a hint of "nostalgia" or a reminiscence akin to coming home from some crazy trip. There is work that has been done and it gradually shows more and more energy that was freed by this. But there is also DE which is way better than any conceptual trip could've given.

Everything is empty of meaning. Every sensation is already free. DE as the pointer is useful but even that is dropped and not even seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, feeling or thoughts arise as concepts. They can be used with no problem – but they just seem unnecessary and not a default anymore.

Backstory arises – maybe it will be a pointer to somebody, maybe not. I've been on this "path" for 8 years as far as I remember. It all started with the idea of meditation, which took me to Tolle's Power of Now and then Jed McKenna (yeah, the jump was kind of drastic). This somehow led to Gateless Gatecrashers (mind you it was 8 years ago) and there was no feeling of need or rather a crazy insistence to do everything by "myself" (lol) and "no need for help".

Going through countless books, countless videos, countless practices, countless methods, countless "LAWS", countless hours of meditation, and countless ideas that were seemingly the answer. Some really obscure shit, channelings, esoteric psychology, Gurdjieff, conspiracy theories, magic.

The worldview was changing at each step and more and more was becoming available. But it still happened to the person somehow. It was still the empowerment of the person, which in the end was actually the deconditioning and de-constructing of the person through seemingly empowering techniques. What a paradox.

I don't know if that was needed. The journey had to happen after the first seeing, more exploration had to be done, I guess. The "finish" is very simple. It's simplicity itself. Bare sensations in six sense doors.

They are useful as pointers but they are not real. Only sensations are real. And that is the closest to reality there can be.

These ideas were known intellectually but realizing them is something entirely different. And so simple! So simple. Reading these kinds of insights was so frustrating before. HOW CAN IT BE THIS SIMPLE arised where the question and questioner itself were the complexity that was not needed whatsoever.

After letting go of most of the beliefs the seeker becomes apparent. The restlessness, the constant chasing, the mild headache. It's all symptoms of still clinging to the speck of an old reflex. A habit no longer needed.

And it's just a story now anyway. Like a strange dream. But the dream, dreamer, and dreaming is gone.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

The entire dialogue was the push I hoped for – it's even in the title of this thread haha!

But the most useful insight that was finally realized is emotions are just labels (not intellectually - I knew that before, but now realized experientially) – this freed a lot of energy in an instant to cut through every single piece of sensation that came later on and gradually shifted the perspective. But then again – I cannot tell what EXACT moment that was with this shift.

The first shift 8 years ago was very clear one – like coming out of the matrix – and it was after reading Gateless Gatecrashers with a tandem of Jed McKenna. "My mind" broke for the first time then after stating "I don't exist" a few times. There was a heart-pounding to an enormous degree and a feeling of "dying". But that was before.

This shift... was more subtle and complete.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

A decision is a thought that arises to label some action that happens on its own.
"I" sticks to the "decision" and makes it its own.

Can't describe it in DE. It doesn't exist. Sensation appears and it's labeled as "decision" or "I made a decision" and then it's put as an overlay on the meaning-less sensation.

"I am writing this" is a thought that describes the tapping on the keyboard, implying a decision has been made to write something. Implying that there is some degree of decision-making. All fabricated. Fictional.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Intention is a thought that arises to label, nobody intending to do anything.

"I will write this answer" is a thought that describes the tapping on the keyboard, implying the intention to write something on the keyboard. It implies that it knows there is something to be written. It implies knowledge. It implies ownership. Intention arises on its own and fades away.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Free will is a concept that states there is freedom in choosing. But there is no such thing as free will or non-free will. All simply arises and vanishes without a notion of "free will" or "non-free will" attached to them. They are meaningless without the subject. They just don't appear – all notions of free will and non-free will seem nonsensical in DE.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Choice is a thought. Chooser is a thought. There is no way to choose anything. Impulse arises, and is labeled "chosing" "I chose this" or "I have a choice". But it's just a story that is just fictional.

Preferences are but they arise and vanish on their own and nobody chooses them.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

Control is a concept and arises as a mechanism to help "I" ground itself in reality somehow.
It's not actual control, but the illusion overlaying various sensations that arise by themselves without a doer or decider.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

There is Direct Experience of seeing, hearing, tasting, feeling, smelling, and thoughts arising. They are only labels for direct experience for there is no inherent difference in them. They arise and vanish. There is nothing that last. Nothing has a meaning attached to it. Things don't happen at all after clear Looking.

No idea how it works. It just is. Effortless arising and passing with no one doing anything.
There is no creator or maker.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Responsibility is a concept and the value of the concept is zero. There is nothing that shows responsibility in DE.
A sense of responsibility may arise, as a feeling somewhere in a heart or brain area, it's labeled responsibility. There may be an apparent responsibility to attend to "I" or "others", but it's just a fabrication and a figure of speech.

6) Anything to add?

Yes. Thank you. From the bottom of my heart, brain, or universe, or whatever. Your help was invaluable in this investigation. The simplicity of direct pointing and the nuclear power it provides is astonishing.

Also – you and other guides – feel free to find chinks in these descriptions and destroy the crap if you feel it still ingers. Maybe you'll find something that still needs seeing, maybe not. Thank you for your service and for Liberation Unleashed.

"Beautiful, you know the answers to all your questions it seems :) "

And they don't belong to anybody hahaha. What an irony. Thank you for your patience. And your pointing. You were the final catalyst. :)

Hi Adam!

Yes. Thank you. From the bottom of my heart, brain, or universe, or whatever. Your help was invaluable in this investigation. The simplicity of direct pointing and the nuclear power it provides is astonishing.

You're so welcome, I've enjoyed the investigation with you!

Also – you and other guides – feel free to find chinks in these descriptions and destroy the crap if you feel it still ingers. Maybe you'll find something that still needs seeing, maybe not. Thank you for your service and for Liberation Unleashed.

I've shared your answers with them and will let you know what arises...

(From your previous post on the time inquiry)

When I look even closer there is no arising or passing. It just is each and every moment. All movement looks illusory and like a mind trick which helps to navigate DE.

Can't tell. Depending on the definition provided by the label. But in DE it's not even moving. Is-ness, or Is-ing would be the closest description lol. Being? No fast or slow, because it needs a point of refrence and a definition that's totally imaginary.

It's almost impossible to describe with words but "Is-ness" is very creative and relatable!

I'll talk to you soon,

Warmly, Nic

Dear Adam,

Well, no one had any other questions for you, I hope you're not disappointed! Welcome to the freedom of understanding there was no gate to crash. It just gets better from here the more it deepens. I'm excited for you, it's been a pleasure going on this journey with you. Truly.

You will contacted by an admin and invited into the FB group. It can be a good place to talk to others and find groups if you want to connect. It can sometimes feel lonely if you don't have someone in your life to talk to about this experience with unless you're willing to sound like a mad person that is. We all understand the madness of it all over there : )

And if you ever think I can help or you are struggling with something you can write in this thread, or contact me through the forum (just click my profile and there are options there). You will also see me on Facebook and I would be happy to chat there. If you feel there is something further you want to explore I also have some resources I can share that I've found helpful on my pathless path. Just let me know! (っ⌒‿⌒)っ

Warmly, Nic

Dear Nic,

That's great! Not disappointed, all is well. There is no more seeking and that part seems like a closed chapter at this very moment. Let's see how it holds up, but so far it's been direct, raw, and just feels... right. Lightheartedness and relief prevail in the current experience.

Sure. Awaiting the message then. I would also want to learn the guide toolkit and give back to the community here if it's possible and/or needed. The precision you use with this method is surgical and fascinating so definitely something I would love to learn.

One more time a giant THANK YOU to you Nic. Your help was essential to finally rip it all apart. I guess the final blind spot was the insistence on doing everything by "myself" hahaha. What an irony. But even then, if I were to come ask for help 8 years ago I think this would still be just the first step then. Now the circuit is complete.

Sure. If doubt or problem arise I'll reach out. You too reach out if you need anything!

I'll see you on Facebook then after I get the intro message.

Anything in particular you had in mind in terms of resources? Many of mine seem obsolete at this point. Even the 10-fetters list (particularly from Kevin Schanilec's site) seems like a done deal at this point. DE will be the "judge".

Eternal gratitude,
Adam

Dear Adam,

Awesome, if you want to lean to be a guide they are always needed! You can reply to the welcome message you received in this forum and let them know. They can place you in some guiding groups and you can learn the process and be mentored. Your are actually the first person I guided, but the resources and support of everyone made that possible. And my journey with you had deepened my own knowing so thank you!

One more time a giant THANK YOU to you Nic. Your help was essential to finally rip it all apart. I guess the final blind spot was the insistence on doing everything by "myself" hahaha. What an irony. But even then, if I were to come ask for help 8 years ago I think this would still be just the first step then. Now the circuit is complete

I can relate to this so much. I was a one person show for so long and it wasn't until I reached out for help that I could stop my searching and rest in what I already knew. We are all interconnected after all and it's amazing to see.

Two resource I truly love are:

Angelo Dillulo and his Simply Awake app. Free app for your phone that contains dozens of meditations that will help you keep looking deeper.
Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... roid.awake
Apple: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/simply-awake/id1544382796

https://www.wakingup.com/
Sam Harris and his Waking up app is an amazing resource of daily meditations, interviews, and practices that explore the non-duality realm of life. It is also free to anyone who can't afford it, there is a link to write to his admins simply stating that you cannot pay for the app and would like to use it. They give free access to anyone.

Warmly, Nic