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[Eloratea]

Hello Nour,

Disappearance of all fears might be also kind of belief. There are some reflexive body mechanisms, not to be erased, I would say.

Can you report more on your fear of death? How it is triggered? Is it natural response on some situations or created by thoughts and belief in reality of your life story that will have to end some day?

Regards,
El

[warissem]

Hi Eloratea
I know that this body will die. In the present moment, there is no living of fear of death or sickness. But I had experiences of fear of death of this body even after seeing no self. It is triggered when the body is sick. It is not about life stories but about the body.

[Eloratea]

So there is no fear now, just a story about it. :)

Next time it shows up when body is sick or hurt you can welcome it as it is a masked love and care for the body. Thank them and let them go.
Life takes care of its manifestations one or another way. When fear can be replaced with some higher octave of love, it will go away.
Such situations could be also good opportunities for surrendering and letting life to find the best way for life-ing :)

[warissem]

Hi Eloratea
Thank you for your advices.
nour

[Eloratea]

You're welcome :)

I am going to share your replies with other guides to see if they have some questions and if you can be confirmed and directed to the aftercare group.
:)

[Eloratea]

Hello Nour,

There appeared some more questioning to make sure it is not just an intellectual understanding.


Does the 'me' of the thought 'there is something missing (for me) refer to anything actual, or is it just a thought appearing and disappearing (without a thinking)?

Is there anyone thinking this thought? Does this thought refer to any 'me' that actually exists (apart from thought)?

Hope that answering those questions will be helpful in deeper experience of the illusion of separate self.

Regards,
El

[warissem]

Hi Eloratea
Thank you for these questions. I will answer after working on them.

Warm regards, nour

[warissem]

Hi Eloratea

“Does the 'me' of the thought 'there is something missing (for me) refer to anything actual, or is it just a thought appearing and disappearing (without a thinking)?”

No the me does not refer to anything substantial. It exists only as a thought. Sometimes, there is a feeling of me or what you call a “me sense” : this is a sensation for which a me is superimposed. This works the same way for an emotion.
About “is there something missing” : there is nothing missing for a me which does not exist. But there are expectations about liberation like : freedom, fearlessness, non attachement, letting go, acceptance of what is, no resistance,… These expectations are not experienced and a doubt arises about what is liberation.

“Is there anyone thinking this thought? Does this thought refer to any 'me' that actually exists (apart from thought)?”

Is there a thinker? The experience shows that thoughts are arising from nowhere. They are random or related to some past or future event. Thoughts are welcomed or not, they cannot be avoided. It seems that there is seer of thoughts, that there is perceiver of the body and the world. It seems that this seer is shining from this body. That is why I feel separation between the seer and the world.
That is my experience even I understand that it cannot be 7 billions seers, even I understand that there is only One without a second.

Waiting for your clarifications, warm regards, nour

[Eloratea]

But there are expectations about liberation like : freedom, fearlessness, non attachement, letting go, acceptance of what is, no resistance,… These expectations are not experienced and a doubt arises about what is liberation.

If there is no belief in separate you, than there is no expectations. It is just experience unfolding. And those expectations are seen as nothing more than thoughts.
So, look what are these expectations and where they come from?

Is there a thinker? The experience shows that thoughts are arising from nowhere. They are random or related to some past or future event. Thoughts are welcomed or not, they cannot be avoided. It seems that there is seer of thoughts, that there is perciever of the body and the world. It seems that this seer is shining from this body. That is why I feel separation between the seer and the world.

Than just look into experience, is there separation and where? Describe it.
Is there a seer or just seeing and thoughts creating a seer and perciever?

[warissem]

Hi Eloratea

"So, look what are these expectations and where they come from?"

Expectations are thoughts and they come from nowhere.

"Than just look into experience, is there separation and where? Describe it.
Is there a seer or just seeing and thoughts creating a seer and perciever?"

In the direct experience, there is no separation :there are perceptions (shapes, colors, sounds, ...) of the world of senses, there are sensations of what is called the body. There is no seer perceivable but I cannot deny this presence knowing. Eyes closed there is no visual perceptions, ears closed, there is no hearing; this knowing presence is here now.

warm regards, nour

[warissem]

Hi again
The seeing is done through the eyes and the seen is limited by the qualities of the human eye. The hearing is done through the ears and the sounds heard are limited by the qualities of the human ear; This process is valid for the five senses, that is we perceive appearances shown by these five senses : we don't see reality as IT is, our senses are limited. Without the body, there are no perceptions of a body or a world (when we are sleeping for example). Then we cannot deny that this body is here for nothing, it has its functionalities.
About this presence, this knowing, this awareness or whatever we call it, which reading these words when they are written, this presence is here now, I can say anything about it. or It can say nothing about itself. And there is a knowing which I cannot explain (but you know that) that I am this presence.

Warm regards, nour

[Eloratea]

Dear Nour,

Can you say more about this presence being you.
Forget what you have heard from spiritual teachers and say from direct experience in your words, what is it? Is it always there?
Is it something concrete, perceivable and how?
Is there someone present, aware of presence?

[warissem]

Hello Eloratea

"Can you say more about this presence being you.
Forget what you have heard from spiritual teachers and say from direct experience in your words, what is it? Is it always there?
Is it something concrete, perceivable and how?
Is there someone present, aware of presence?"

The presence is not being me, there is no me. The presence IS. I can say nothing about it. It is always here, we cannot escape from it. It is not perceivable but I know that it is.

There is not someone present or aware of presence :presence is aware of itself. This knowing or presence or whatever we call it (that which is conscious right now, which reading these words on the screen, ...) is here now, it cannot be seen, it cannot be grasped by the senses, it cannot be imagined. IT is IT.

Warm regards, nour

[Eloratea]

Good Nour,

is the presence also there when you sleep? Aware of itself?

Can you describe now your actual experience and tell is there anything outside, apart from it?

Cheers,
El

[warissem]

Hi Eloratea

“is the presence also there when you sleep? Aware of itself?”

In direct experience I cannot say that presence is here when I sleep but I deduce that the awareness is still here when in sleep : there is memory of dreams, there is continuity of the story when I wake up in the morning.

“Can you describe now your actual experience and tell is there anything outside, apart from it?”

I am THAT : in these three words the beauty is showing itself, these words point to peace, to love. I am THAT is this warmth in the heart. What would you be outside of that. Can a thought “I” do the seeing or the knowing. I cannot be other than THAT.

Warm regards, nour