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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:27 pm

Good. That's the one to pay attention to. It is the "lie feeling." You will also get it when you claim there is any such thing as "I."

Okay, bringing these pieces together, take a look at this:


Actual/Direct Experience - Apple

Have a look at an apple (or any fruit you like.) If you have a ‘real’ apple, you can use it for this exercise. Google for a picture of an apple.

Image

When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."

What is known for sure? Color is known and thoughts are known.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.

Actual experience is Hearing, Seeing or Color (but not the label of each color), Smelling, Tasting, Sensing/ Feeling and the fact of Thought Arising, but not its content.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?


While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by "looking in Actual Experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known

However, is an apple actually known?

Have fun and let me know what you find out.


Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby adb88DAVID » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:41 am

good morning!
What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?
clearly a thought saying apple!
Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?
there is colour and a thought saying apple apple!
Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?
no, only colour
However, is an apple actually known?
colour is seen, and thought content (which is something that got told to me when I was young) says that it is an apple. I only see red and a shape in the picture you sent - and they are also labels

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:14 pm

Good!

Can you see that "self" is just a story in the same way?

Be sure you're LOOKING and not just thinking answers.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby adb88DAVID » Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:34 am

Can you see that "self" is just a story in the same way?
I can absolutely see that. Only in the content of thought is there a label "self"

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:45 pm

Exactly!

How does it FEEL to SEE this (or are you just thinking?)



Loving,
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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby adb88DAVID » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:24 pm

No sure how to answer this becuase it changes everytime I ask the question. And also, how to I report feelings?

Best wishes

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby adb88DAVID » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:26 pm

On one level it doesn't make any difference.

On the other level, when narrative is engaged with (thoughts), and body sensations happen , it kinda gets personal again

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:21 pm

Okay.

Have you read "Gateless Gatecrashers?" You can download it from this site under Resources, Books.

here's a pointer to look at "control. "

Palm Flipping Exercise

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.

2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.

Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:

How is the movement controlled?

Does a thought control it?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby adb88DAVID » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:21 pm

Have you read "Gateless Gatecrashers?" You can download it from this site under Resources, Books.
thank you. i have read bits of it before, and now I have just downloaded it again, thank you. , I have also read bits of the other book Liberation Unleashed 2022 edition. I find them insightful to read, and then some frustration comes in when the person "gets it" and I dont. and also I am less likely to LOOK properly when I dont have someone else holding me accoutable. But certainly great books! Similar to the archive here yes?

Palm Flipping Exercise
Great task!

How is the movement controlled?

no idea
Does a thought control it?
I did not detect a thought, no

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

certainly not
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
no i cannot see a decision. Also it is not within thought, its before thought. any interpretation of where a decision is made would be a thought
Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
there is no who to choose, the right hand was used automatically.
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?
. I cannot find that no.

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:27 pm

Good!

How does it FEEL to SEE this (not just think it? )

I have some recorded pointers in my Drop Box. I'll send you a link in PM above, right

Report on those here. Be sure to listen to the Introduction first.

Loving,
~ Stacy

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~ Adyashanti

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby adb88DAVID » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:31 pm

thank you! Could you PM it please? I cannot see the dropbox stuff yet!
How does it FEEL to SEE this (not just think it? )
its hard to live with just feeling and not thinking.

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:40 pm

It was not suggested that you live with just feeling and not thinking. Thinking will continue. You just don't believe in it.

I thought I did put that in your private messages. Let me go check.
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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby adb88DAVID » Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:11 pm

thank you. I listened to the introduction.
and then listened to the first practice "all it is".
I did this as I was walking outside.
I found that I kept forgetting . I was feeling and looking at DE, noticed thoughts and then came back, and used the word god.
I need to finish listening to that recording and do it again.
thoughts were coming in very quickly trying to sabotage the activity and saying "it's not meaty enough etc , its too subtle to be a good pratice" etc.
having said that, The contrast is quite big - with thoughts there is a lot of heaviness and weight. but when i notice the thoght and go back to the pratice in that track 1 "all it is". and thoughts trying to come in like snakes behind a locked door and the thoughts want to say "come back to reality".
this exercise is letting me see what happens. the thoughts are saying "you must come back to the story, its important " "you are forgetting something huge if you stop thinking". "you need to keep in thoughts because the thoughts will warn you of the things you need to be warned about and we will solve problems and work out how things need to be done for you"

i think i will go outside tonight and do the same practice again,

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:09 pm

Sounds good.

Beware of anthropomorphizing mere "thoughts." They have no personality and no power.

Looking forward to next reports.

Much love,
~ Stacy

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Re: Requesting Anastacia42 as guide

Postby adb88DAVID » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:58 am

ok thanks!

Next report:

last night I went back out later for a walk (as I said I would ) with the god meditation practice. I noticed that when people walked in "my way" or "too close" to me, normally i would get annoyed. But I remembered to say, "this is how god is appearing to me, and it gave me a new angle and I was not annoyed !! :). I then got home later, listened to the rest of the recording and one audience member said something similar to my experience.

Before bed I listened to "3. Beginning Thinking". and started to trace my thoughts back to the start and rest in the space before the thoughts . I did this for 10 mins and fell asleep. I found this task dificult wihtout going into more thought and the process. WIll try this one again, on reflection! I think it could be great if i try again.

This morning i listened to 4. Perceiving Receiving . This was brilliant!! I followed the steps and fell into a space of waiting to receive, and a lovely energy was felt in the body and mind , I was bathing in it, i rested there for about 1 hour whilst still doing tasks, it was subtle bliss. Thoroughly enjoyed that one!

I think today I wil contine to do 2. ALL IT IS. 3. Beginning thinking and 4. Perceiving Receiving . and possible start listening to 5. Release-Recieve this evening

thank you !!


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