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Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:35 am
by Lubo
Hi Marta,
My name is Luybomir but you can call me Lubo.
I found something interesting in your reply:
In one hand:
Yes, you are in risk without a fear.
Without a fear, this natural barrier human can put his life in risk, can be dangerous.
but on the other hand:
Living without fear for me sounds like a freedom.
So, you are small puppy and fear lashed you with a rope?
because otherwise you will jump under the passing car, is it like this?
This is truth or this is a story that fear says?
Do you really believe that you are something small and stupid and must be ruled by fear?
Are you a little girl?
Do you steel need someone to watch you, to advise you?
Notice what is to break fear and take life in your own hands?
Is it scary without this voice which navigates you: "Don't go there! Turn left, Turn right..."?
Or it is freedom?
With love
Lubo
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:33 am
by Vegvisir
Hello Lubo
Thank You for amazing post. Yes, you are right. Yes, I see that I was typying like a small child. I know why. Because I still trying to get rid of things which I have learn, medical and phisical issues. I see what you are trying to show me. Freedom is freedom without things, thoughts, people , etc who will leads "me".
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:45 am
by Vegvisir
If you saying about little girl , small child I started to think about it. Babys doesn' t have fear , they pure without being affraid, and they are still humans, so NO, there is no fear and breaking it will not hurt "me" and no, I will not jump under passing car. Its also not scary living without it.
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:25 am
by Lubo
Wow Marta,
Wonderful, no need anyone leads you :)
...there is no fear and breaking it will not hurt "me" and no, I will not jump under passing car. Its also not scary living without it.
Yes!
What is to find that you no longer need fear to live?
Notice your deepest desire - can you live in it freely?
With Love
Lubo
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:07 pm
by Vegvisir
Now I feel even more that I want to get rid of all false believes in my life. I dont need it in me. Please show me the way and I will do it by my own.
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:32 pm
by Lubo
Hi Marta,
Now I feel even more that I want to get rid of all false believes in my life. I don't need it in me. Please show me the way and I will do it by my own.
Nice.
Notice that the process has already started. Trust it.
Follow the questions, they show you the way.
What is to find that you no longer need fear to live?
Notice your deepest desire - can you live in it freely?
Is there anything separate from freedom?
Share what is found.
Love
Lubo
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:06 pm
by Vegvisir
Find out that I can gef rid off fear is like taking a chain from my neck. Like you said, I am not a puupy on lead which make something silly without it. It was lie.
Desires are also chains. You want something which is just illusion. When you realize you desire , you are trying to find another one. Its not freedom its marathon when you run and run and end never is expected.
Freedom means peace. A lot of false gods, feelings, emotions etc can try to separate use from it.
Regards
Marta
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:22 pm
by Lubo
Hi Marta,
Desires are also chains. You want something which is just illusion.
There is only freedom, desires and the fulfilment of desires are freedom itself or limitation?
Without identification is there anyone here? who will be chained?
Thoughts are the next leash that limits you.
Stop identifying with thoughts and notice - what are you? where are you?
Love
Lubo
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:08 pm
by Vegvisir
Hi Lubo
Desires and the fulfilment of desires are limited. Freedom exists.
There is no one here so no one is in the chains.
If there is no one here so there is no "me". I am not able to say where if there is no of "me".
Regards
Marta
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:49 pm
by Lubo
Hi Marta,
Questions are pointers what to look, but not for disput.
Don't rush to replay. Notice again and again where and what questions point to.
Desires and the fulfilment of desires are limited
What you see in order to say this? What limited what?
There is no one here so no one is in the chains.
this is seen or one belief is replaced with another?
If there is no one here so there is no "me". I am not able to say where if there is no of "me".
When you use word "if" this points me that you are reporting what thoughts are saying, this is analogy, intellectualisation but not clear seeing.
You missed question, please answer strictly each question.
To whom thoughts speaking to?
Notice is there identification with someone who is listening thoughts?
With Love
Lubo
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 am
by Vegvisir
Good morning Lubo
Desires and filfulment of desires is limined because desires are thoughts. Thoughts limited desires and filfulment of desires.
There is no one so there is no chains. This is not believe. It is seen. Thoughts are not mine, thoughts not creating "me". So if there is nothing that I can call "me" , there is no chain.
Thoughts are speaking to those who whan to listen.
A person is identyfy with the thoughts not the thoughts with the person.
Kind Regards
Marta
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:47 am
by Lubo
Hi Marta,
Thoughts are speaking to those who whan to listen.
Marta, this answer is not from looking.
Try again, do your best :)
Who want and don't want to listen? How this one looks like, where is it exactly?
A person is identyfy with the thoughts not the thoughts with the person.
We are looking that there is no inherent self, entity, person.
Notice where the person wich is identifying with thoughts is?
Find it.
No person's body, no person's clothes, no person's thoughts but the person, the owner of all person's staff?
No suggestions, no intellectual explanation. if something exist it can be found and can be point.
Find and point the person?
Love
Lubo
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:09 pm
by Vegvisir
Hello Lubo
Thoughts are speaking to no one.
There is no one to speak and no one to hear.
No one has no appierence and its in the vaccum.
No one who identyfing with thoughts is in the vaccum.
No one is not the owner of anything. No body, no thoughts, no "me".
There is no person to show and no person to point.
Regards
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Re: Inner peace
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:49 pm
by Lubo
Wow.
What is to find that there is no Marta?
What are you responsible for?
L.
Re: Inner peace
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:25 pm
by Vegvisir
There is no Marta, so there is no Marta's feelings, emotions about finding out that Marta not exist. There is just quiet.
There is no Marta so also there is no resposibilities.
Regards
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