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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Lubo » Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:50 am

I do see myself labelling the thought...
This one which is labeling thoughts is? What? Where?

Notice that thoughts are transparent without colour and substance?
How is it known that they speak to someone who is here but not over there?
Notice - Without thoughts is there - here and over there, at all?
Is there someone over there?
Is there someone here?
Answer is seen or is coming from thoughts stories?
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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Headlesspov » Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:23 pm

This one which is labeling thoughts is? What? Where?
- the mind is labelling the thoughts, I dont know what the mind is and there is no location to the mind.
Notice that thoughts are transparent without colour and substance?
Seen ok
How is it known that they speak to someone who is here but not over there?
The thoughts are seen and recognized in the mind
Is there someone over there?
no there is no location and place to say, oh! here is where my thoughts are.
Is there someone here?
there is no separate self, this is seen directly. But the thoughts appear somewhere where they are recognized as thoughts. Its not a separate entity, but there is knowing or a consciousness right, or am I completely off tracks?
Answer is seen or is coming from thoughts stories?
When sitting still with experience and seeing directly, I see no self. No location is seen.
However when I walk up and around during the day. I do have the tendency to create thoughts stories about understanding it all about the nature of mind

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Lubo » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:02 pm

Nice
The thoughts are seen and recognized in the mind
??? The rest of experiences are recognised where?
Mind is a concept. No mind in reality.
Non-dual. mind and rest of the appearances = 2
no there is no location and place to say, oh! here is where my thoughts are.
Yes. And how is posible that over there is no one who is thinking but here is?
Without thoughts is there here and there?
What if over there is no one and here also no one?
there is no separate self, this is seen directly.

Do you mean that there is no one who is living life?
That everything appears by itself?
But the thoughts appear somewhere where they are recognized as thoughts
There are thoughts Yes. They are known yes. Why knower is needed? Just pure knowing.
No need to put identification to anything that is found.
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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Headlesspov » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:35 pm

??? The rest of experiences are recognised where?
they are recognised nowhere. I can’t find any place.

Mind is a concept. No mind in reality.
I understand that Mind is a concept/label. There is really no definition to” what is” I guess it has to be experienced.
Yes. And how is posible that over there is no one who is thinking but here is?
I guess it’s because it feels or experienced like the thinking is going on inside the head.
Without thoughts is there here and there?
No there is no here and there. Just one open space where life is happing.
What if over there is no one and here also no one
there don’t have to be anyone.
Do you mean that there is no one who is living life?
That everything appears by itself?

yes there no one controlling life, it appears by itself.

There are thoughts Yes. They are known yes. Why knower is needed? Just pure knowing.
No need to put identification to anything that is found.
what is this pure knowing, or we can’t put a label as this will be paradoxically making it a thing I guess. It’s hard not to put identification to things that are found. That’s why we practice to see what already here.

I hope I am not asking to many questions. I do try to look at direct experience, but I have something pulling me trying to make sense and trying to understand it as story loop. This is something that the fictive “I” guess is having me thrown around a bit.

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Lubo » Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:18 pm

No there is no here and there. Just one open space where life is happing.
Ok. Open space or knowing is not so important for the experience called Life
Experience life is difficult right now because there is a me separate from life and me is punished because of the voice of shame and guilt. This experience "life" will become more pleasant when the idea of me disappears from the picture.
Thats why we are focusing at - what is this which appears, rather than where it appears, OK?
yes there no one controlling life, it appears by itself.
So, life appears by itself.
Look and notice what does this mean?
This is a profound discovery.

This points that everything belongs to life?
Even the thoughts about separate me who is living life belongs to this imaginary me or to life?
Is there someone or something that IS life?
Is thunderstorm personal?
Is life personal?


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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Headlesspov » Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:36 pm

Hi Lubo,
Ok. Open space or knowing is not so important for the experience called Life
Experience life is difficult right now because there is a me separate from life and me is punished because of the voice of shame and guilt. This experience "life" will become more pleasant when the idea of me disappears from the picture.
Thats why we are focusing at - what is this which appears, rather than where it appears, OK?
OK understood
So, life appears by itself.
Look and notice what does this mean?
Its something I cannot label or really put into words. I do feel a form of relief.
This mean there is no controlling to the experience, its all happening by itself as itself. When I sit and observe this is what I notice: The heart is beating without me doing anything, thought comes and goes, sounds and consciousness is there by itself, without a ''me' do do anything or turn it on.
This points that everything belongs to life?
Yes
Even the thoughts about separate me who is living life belongs to this imaginary me or to life?
Thoughts belong to life.
Is there someone or something that IS life?
No when I look its not a thing or a person, and I dont feel there is an answer to this question.
Is thunderstorm personal?
No its not, is just happening when certain conditions comes together.
Is life personal?
No its not.

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Lubo » Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:50 am

WoW!,
Yes to this:
So, life appears by itself.
Look and notice what does this mean?
Its something I cannot label or really put into words. I do feel a form of relief.
This mean there is no controlling to the experience, its all happening by itself as itself. When I sit and observe this is what I notice: The heart is beating without me doing anything, thought comes and goes, sounds and consciousness is there by itself, without a ''me' do do anything or turn it on.
Wonderful! Notice again - on one hand is reality, or this that appears by itself - on the other hand is illusion - story about a me character, which must fights with life in order to survive :)
Can you see this?
Look without the story.
Is there a self? a me? Someone born here? Doer, decide-er...?

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Headlesspov » Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:21 pm

Wonderful! Notice again - on one hand is reality, or this that appears by itself - on the other hand is illusion - story about a me character, which must fights with life in order to survive :)
Can you see this?
Yes correct, the ''I'' try to cling to the experience. I do see this when looking directly. I have practiced today, and do fell its getting better, because its already here. However I still see the '' I '' getting caught in some mental habit loops, but as soon as I recognise it disappear (mind chatter, emptions etc)

Is there a self? a me? Someone born here? Doer, decide-er...?
No self and no me, and no doer. Only a new moment or new process each time I look, which comes into life and then pass away again. There is no self, or ''I'' born here.

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Lubo » Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:09 am

Wonderful
I still see the '' I '' getting caught in some mental habit loops
Let's crack this.
Notice are thoughts live entities?
Can they do anything?
Notice the colours, can they do anything?
Sensations?
Can fragrance do anything?
Is taste an independent living being? Can taste do anything?
And again thoughts - Are thoughts independent beings? Can thoughts do anything?

Is there a you in this whole experience?
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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Headlesspov » Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:38 am

I am ready to crack this!
Notice are thoughts live entities?
No they are not entities, they are fictive images. Trying to tell a story. Its easy to get caught in the swirl.
Can they do anything?
No, not when seen a recognised.
Notice the colours, can they do anything?
No they can't. They just appear.
Sensations?
Sensations cannot harm you, as they are temporary.
Can fragrance do anything?
No same as the others. Fragrance can appear, and then vanish again.
Is taste an independent living being? Can taste do anything?
No taste is not an independent living. Taste cant do anything. Taste and smell can create emptions or memories I guess, but these are again memories, and no real independent entity.
And again thoughts - Are thoughts independent beings? Can thoughts do anything?
No they cant do anything, and they are not independent beings.
Is there a you in this whole experience?
No me/you entity in this. But I do fell there is an awareness/knowing.

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Lubo » Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:13 am

Wonderful!
The main illusion is created form belief that thoughts can do anything.
Trying to tell a story. Its easy to get caught in the swirl.
Yes it easy to sleep again.
Notice - Are thoughts trying to do something? To tell a story?
No me/you entity in this. But I do fell there is an awareness/knowing.
Yes, what awareness/knowing can do?
Notice is it possible for the knowing to find that there are only thoughts, but not stories.

Is there something more than colours, sounds, sensations, taste, smell and thoughts?
Is there a guilt or shame or responsibility because of this 6 experiences?

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Headlesspov » Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:41 am

Notice - Are thoughts trying to do something? To tell a story?

Yes they are trying to tell a story, and the thoughts are easily building the story up to be worse than it is.
Yes, what awareness/knowing can do?
Notice is it possible for the knowing to find that there are only thoughts, but not stories.
The awareness cannot do anything. Its just being aware of the content that appears. The knowing can when seen clearly only see thoughts and no stories.
Is there something more than colours, sounds, sensations, taste, smell and thoughts?
No nothing more than this.
Is there a guilt or shame or responsibility because of this 6 experiences?
yes the ''I'' take ownership of the 6 experiences. Its my thoughts etc. I guess guilt and shame is mere illusions as well, when seen.

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Lubo » Mon Sep 19, 2022 5:22 pm

Yes they are trying to tell a story, and the thoughts are easily building the story up to be worse than it is.
Are the thoughts independent living beings?
Can thoughts do anything?
can a thought try?
to tell?
The awareness cannot do anything. Its just being aware of the content that appears.
and can it find a self?
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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Headlesspov » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:19 am

Are the thoughts independent living beings?
No
Can thoughts do anything?
No
can a thought try?
No
to tell?
No
and can it find a self?
No self can be found

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Re: Non duality_ no seeker

Postby Lubo » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:25 am

Hi dear Rasmus,
Give me more info. What 9s to find thet thoughts can not do anything?
Is there control then?

This is your investigation, I can just point you where to look
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