Awakening

[Anastacia42]

Oh my... potato? Sorry!

Typo at 5 am!

[Patrickbere]

Hi Stacy,
You got autocorrected I think 😃.

Please next list the bodily sensations associated with excitement

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Feeling heart rate increasing
Feeling breathing rate increasing
Feeling state of alert readiness? (Hard to break down)

I can't differentiate this from fear. But then they are not really the same thing are they? Is "the story" and the thoughts the only difference? I'm not sure....

Thank you Stacy
Patrick

[Anastacia42]

Yes.

Is "the story" and the thoughts the only difference?

Exactly! Nothing is different, except our thinking, the c story we tell & then believe.

Here's another pointer to show another aspect of this:


Label-Reality Correlation

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’. But there isn’t. Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?

Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

Let me know what is SEEN. (not what thinking says)

Loving,

~ Stacy

[Patrickbere]

Hi Stacy,
I've got covid and my mind refuses to function properly. I will give a proper answer to these questions tomorrow. Thank you.
Patrick

[Anastacia42]

Ouch!

Rest & don't worry about it until you feel ready. It's okay.

Loving,
Stacy

[Anastacia42]

If you have the bandwidth to listen, without video or audio, if you like.

Link to Zoom meetings. There's one today.

viewforum.php?f=49

Much love,
Stacy

[Patrickbere]

Hi Stacy,
Just checking in. Pretty unwell. Hopefully brain will function tomorrow.
Patrick

[Anastacia42]

Take your time. One of my co- workers was out for 2 weeks with a pretty bad case if it.

Take care!

Stacy

[Patrickbere]

Hey Stacy,
Thank you for being patient with me. Still quite ill and thinking is a big effort. Hopefully tomorrow....
Patrick

[Anastacia42]

Just get well. Don't worry about it.

Much love

Stacy

[Patrickbere]

Hi Stacy,
I'm a lot better, still weak but brain is working. 🙂

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?

The actual experience was of seeing red lines on the page.

Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?

The colour red was experienced, not the colour green

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?

The label green does not have a one to one correspondence with reality. It suggests an experience which isn't there now.

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?

No green is not associated in any way with the experience of the colour red. It is just a label that overlays the actual experience or red.

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

No the redness is not affected at all by those labels.

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

The redness experience does not change whatever the label. The story in our mind may change with the label but the raw experience does not change. Unfortunately the story can be very powerful and convincing and in my case I stray from the raw experience easily.

Let me know what is SEEN. (not what thinking says

What is seen is definitely different to what thinking says despite the typical feeling that they are part of one experience. They are not but we make them feel like they are.

Thank you. 🙂
Patrick

[Anastacia42]

Glad you're feeling better!

Good work. Now this one:

u]Friend/Stranger[/u]

Bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."

Then bring up a thought about a character labeled "stranger."

Compare these thoughts.

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."

After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”

Is there a difference?

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character?"

Let me know what is found.

Labeling the day, the Sensations, etc. does nothing to reduce their beauty or joy, but can hide them from our awareness.

Loving,

~ Stacy

[Patrickbere]

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

At first it feels like there is a difference but when I look closer there is no difference. (This seems unbelievably odd to me, I'm a bit stunned).

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

Both are just "thought" the action or arising in my mind, apart from the content they are the same. But I'm still in a certain amount of surprise re this.....

Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."

After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”

Is there a difference?

No there is no difference. Both are just little arising events. But the me one does seem more potent or something but then when I really look that sort of fades away.

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character

?"
Only that maybe they seem at first more powerful but when I really look that doesn't seem to be the case.

Let me know what is found.

Stacy this one has unsettled me a bit. I don't feel super clear about it.

Thank you.

Patrick

[Patrickbere]

Labeling the day, the Sensations, etc. does nothing to reduce their beauty or joy, but can hide them from our awareness

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Would you mind expanding on this idea a bit Stacy? (I think I am cutting myself off from life all the time).

Patrick

[Anastacia42]

Good morning, Patrick
,
Feeling unsettled is a natural response to noticing that the content of thought is pretty meaningless & has no effect whatsoever on Direct Experience.

The story of a "self" is the same way. It's like believing in Santa Claus. Once you see through the story, you can't un-see it. Now it's just a man in a red suit.

Labeling the day, the Sensations, etc. does nothing to reduce their beauty or joy, but can hide them from our awareness
Would you mind expanding on this idea a bit Stacy? (I think I am cutting myself off from life all the time.

Sure. We all do this to some degree. It will be less after SEEING,, but it is unlikely to go away entirely. Labels are one step removed from Direct or Actual Experience. This is sometimes referred to as a "veil" that seems to "cut us off."

We're never really "cut off," we're just not present & noticing.

Does that help?

Much love,

Stacy