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[Anastacia42]

That is wild, I live in Longmont.

That's hilarious! Me, too. Near Ken Pratt & Terry. I'm tempted to suggest we meet? For coffee?

Yes, the sensations of lies are contracting. And truth as we practiced removing the “I” was expanding and opening.

Exactly!

Meanwhile:

Actual/Direct Experience - Apple

Have a look at an apple (or any fruit you like.) If you have a ‘real’ apple, you can use it for this exercise. Google for a picture of an apple.



When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."

What is known for sure? Color is known and thoughts are known.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.

Actual experience is sound, thought, color, smell, taste, sensation and the fact of thought arising, but not its content.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by "looking in actual experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known

However, is an apple actually known?

Have fun and let me know what you find out.

Much love,

[ACIMONE33]

That's hilarious! Me, too. Near Ken Pratt & Terry. I'm tempted to suggest we meet? For coffee?

That would be great, what are the chances. I live near Silver Creek high school.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Nothing, more thoughts. For example, apples are good, apples are bad, apples are sour, apples are sweet, I like apples, I don’t like apples. These examples of content of thoughts are learned/conditioned/perceived thoughts/beliefs but they are not reality, just thoughts.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

Only color and thoughts that arise about a label Apple.

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

No. Apple is only the label (thought) that was acquired or learned.

However, is an apple actually known?

It is known as a label. Apple is just a label (thought) that can be thought about. The senses are the only thing actually experienced.

Have fun and let me know what you find out.

This was a lot of fun, let me know if I am seeing this clearly. It makes me question everything. It really reveals the amount of thoughts about objects/labels we add on to actual experience.

[Anastacia42]

Hi Beau

Yes, I've been with LU 3 or 4 years now & you're the closest, so far. Couldn't get much closer.

That would be great, what are the chances. I live near Silver Creek high school.

That's about 10 minutes away. I have a meeting at 3 pm, but otherwise, I could meet just about any time today, if that isn't too soon. Coffee, tea, lunch. Whatever. Do you have a place you like?

Weekends are best. I work weekdays at a space science research company in Boulder & my husband spends his time in the garden. I could conceivably meet around 4 or 4:30 pm after work.

Okay, you're seeing these very clearly.

It really reveals the amount of thoughts about objects/labels we add on to actual experience.

Yes. Sure does.

Let's look at control, intention & choice next.

Palm Flipping Exercise

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.

2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.

Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:

How is the movement controlled?

Does a thought control it?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

How is the decision made to turn the hand over?

Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

Who or what ​ chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Let me know if you'd like to get together.

Much love,

~ Stacy

[Anastacia42]

Slight correction: my meeting is at 2 pm. It took a couple of days & a couple if changes for us to coordinate across time zones.

[ACIMONE33]

That sounds like an interesting job. I was raised in Longmont, and I am married with 4 kids ranging from 7-17 years old. I work for an Oil & Gas company in Denver. I am running the kids around today, but I am available Monday or Tuesday after 4:15 or next Saturday morning would work. Thanks for the exercise and look forward to meeting you.

Beau

[Anastacia42]

Hi,

Check your PM top right.

Thanks,

[Anastacia42]

I'll watch for your response to Palm Flipping.

Yes, I am fortunate to work with geniuses. I like to say that there, it IS rocket science.

I'll share more details either in PM or in person for privacy.

Thanks!

[ACIMONE33]

How is the movement controlled?

I don’t know, threre was an intention to start after reading the instructions, but no controller once movement started.

Does a thought control it?

No

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No

How is the decision made to turn the hand over?

There is not a decision point that I can see. It just knows what to do.

Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

Who or what ​ chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

It was automatic, no decision, the right hand was used.

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

No.

[Anastacia42]

Hi,

All good, no controller, but would you please check this?

I don’t know, threre was an intention to start after reading the instructions, but no controller once movement started.

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Intention...

First, is there any "John" to intend anything?

Then, is there always follow through on all intentions?

Intentions are just thoughts, right? Can a thought actually DO anything? So, where does that leave this concept of Intentions?

Much love,

[ACIMONE33]

First, is there any "John" to intend anything?

No “John” is an illusion.

Then, is there always follow through on all intentions?

No

Intentions are just thoughts, right?

Right. Intentions are just thoughts.

Can a thought actually DO anything?

Not in reality, only in the illusion.

So, where does that leave this concept of Intentions?

Intentions have no control of reality. I see now there is no controller, it just happens.

Thank you for helping me see that intentions are just thoughts.

[Anastacia42]

You're quite welcome.

Keep paying attention to how it FEELS to SEE.


Label-Reality Correlation

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’. But there isn’t. Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?

Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

Let me know what is SEEN.


~ Stacy

[ACIMONE33]

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?

Color red

Is the color red ‘experienced’, or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?

Red

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’? Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?

No, suggests something else.

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red; or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?

No, green is just a label that overlays the actual experience of red.

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

No, still is red.

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

Labels have no effect on reality.

Let me know what is SEEN.

Very helpful, thanks.

[Anastacia42]

Good! Now let's apply this in another way.

Friend/Stranger

Bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."

Then bring up a thought about a character labeled "stranger."

Compare these thoughts.

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."

After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”

Is there a difference?

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character?"

Let me know what is found.

Labeling the day, the Sensations, etc. does nothing to reduce their beauty or joy, but can hide them from our awareness.

Pay attention to how it FEELS to SEE. Usually, there's a clear shift when you see no self.

Loving,

Stacy

[ACIMONE33]

Is there a difference in these thoughts?

Both are just thoughts. Friend thought- dependable. Stranger thought - unknown

Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

No true difference. Just different content of thoughts about the two thoughts.


Now, bring up a thought about a character labeled "friend."

After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me.”

Is there a difference?

No difference, both are thoughts.

Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character?"

No, just more thoughts about “me-character”. How we communicate seems to reinforce the false belief of me, but this clearly showed me how labels are just thoughts.


Thanks,

Beau

[Anastacia42]

Good & correct, Beau.

What about DE in addition to your replies?

Much love,