Ready to see through

[Fabi1234]

This may be difficult, but what can you tell me about the contractions, and the pain that comes with them.
Just tell me everything about them you can.

Please tell me about the feeling of fear.
Is there a sense of what is scary?

The fear is felt inside the body especially as a contraction in the head. What seems to be behind it is losing control. Today the fear didn't show up. I will investigate more when it shows up again.

[pozablo]

Ah yes, the old fear of losing control.
Actually, although painfully terrifying, that's really good to hear.
Could be the final imaginary self to see through.

Now, if you were really truly convinced that there is no self to be in control, and that those fears and uncertainties are just old neuron patterns firing off, what might you do?

If you're not truly convinced, that's ok. Really.
If you stick with this process, you can see for yourself whether or not those fears are realistic.

Even when you really do see that, they (and other old brain habits) will probably still show up now and then until those neuron connections (dendrites and synapses) decay from lack of attention. Have you ever had any other fears that you became convinced were unrealistic? What did you do?

With love,
/p

[pozablo]

Fabio,
please tell me what the fear tells you might happen if Fabio were to "give up control".

[pozablo]

And, before you report on my previous two posts, set aside some time, no more than 10-15 minutes, to just see what happens with a completely passive allowing of the fear and contraction.
No fighting them, no trying to change them, no trying to figure them out, no trying to figure out how to explain them to me.
Even if they start getting worse! Stick with it for whatever period of time you have decided, but at least 10 minutes.
Just a completely passive observation of them during that whole time. Be strong and brave.

Then report 😊

[Fabi1234]

Thank you Pablo you are really getting to the point!

I sometimes still become tricked by this realistic feeling that there is control. But there is nothing to do as there is no one to do anything.

When the fear is there it can be really terrifying. But another tricky thing which is going on currently is frustration.

Frustration is not as intense and painful as fear. It is basically the feeling of this isn’t good enough.

[pozablo]

Thank you Pablo you are really getting to the point!

Great, thanks for the feedback!

I sometimes still become tricked by this realistic feeling that there is control. But there is nothing to do as there is no one to do anything......When the fear is there it can be really terrifying. But another tricky thing which is going on currently is frustration......Frustration is not as intense and painful as fear. It is basically the feeling of this isn’t good enough.

Ok, thanks Fabio.
Now please read, follow the instructions, watch closely inside, and answer the questions I asked in my last three emails 😊

[Fabi1234]

Now, if you were really truly convinced that there is no self to be in control, and that those fears and uncertainties are just old neuron patterns firing off, what might you do?

There can't be anything to do. But still there seems to be this sense of me the feeling of doing coming back.

please tell me what the fear tells you might happen if Fabio were to "give up control".

Deeply underneath the fear is that my life will could not go on like before related to success at work etc. Intellectually it's clear that there is no control over anything.

[pozablo]

There can't be anything to do. But still there seems to be this sense of me the feeling of doing coming back.

Apparently Fabio has the belief that this “sense of me the feeling of doing coming back” actually means that perhaps there is a you.
So I must ask, is that “sense of me the feeling of doing coming back” just a thought/feeling happening (and temporary, like everything else), or is there really a you that must get rid of that feeling/belief?

Deeply underneath the fear is that my life will could not go on like before related to success at work etc. Intellectually it's clear that there is no control over anything.

Yes, exactly. That fear is very common before seeing that there never was a you doing anything, including managing career, family, relationships, whatever.
So we will see what Fabio will do—will he go on unhappily wanting liberation but fearing that it will cause him to lose what he values, or will Fabio come to the conclusion that the evidence that there never was a self managing things is strong enough that Fabio will go for liberation even in the face of that fear.

[pozablo]

Fabio, did you read somewhere that when people see through the imaginary self they suddenly lose interest in the things that interested them before???
Why would you think that would happen?
If Fabio likes chocolate, he'll still like chocolate. If he likes to play soccer, or work at his career, or gets a good feeling from success, why would that change?

What actually happens, is people get better at their work, and enjoy it more, when the illusion of self is seen through. Things just are seen more clearly and enjoyed more when the illusion isn't in the way.

/p

[Fabi1234]

Apparently Fabio has the belief that this “sense of me the feeling of doing coming back” actually means that perhaps there is a you.
So I must ask, is that “sense of me the feeling of doing coming back” just a thought/feeling happening (and temporary, like everything else), or is there really a you that must get rid of that feeling/belief?

Yes that's true. It is a thought + feeling happening appearing and disappearing. There seems to still be a subtle resistance when this feeling + thought about the sense of me appears which leads to a "doing" "getting rid". What mostly happens when the illusion is sticking again that I tend to be drawn again to read in the books which mostly points me to clarity again. But it seems not to be final yet as the need to read these pointers should subside.

Fabio, did you read somewhere that when people see through the imaginary self they suddenly lose interest in the things that interested them before???
Why would you think that would happen?
If Fabio likes chocolate, he'll still like chocolate. If he likes to play soccer, or work at his career, or gets a good feeling from success, why would that change?

Yes that's totally clear for me that things and likes can stay the same as before.

[pozablo]

There seems to still be a subtle resistance when this feeling + thought about the sense of me appears which leads to a "doing" "getting rid". What mostly happens when the illusion is sticking again that I tend to be drawn again to read in the books which mostly points me to clarity again. But it seems not to be final yet as the need to read these pointers should subside.

Fabio, those books are so very valuable for establishing an understanding and a motivation for liberation. But only by watching how feelings and thoughts and urges and bodily movements happen by themselves, even though often preceeded by related thoughts which also just come by themselves, can liberation happen. Only when Fabio’s brain see this for itself, through careful attention, will the necessary neural adaptation happen.

Watch the “getting rid of” itself.
Just bloody watch it!
Not to try to explain it or put words on it. When words and ideas come, just watch them!
Your brain must see how it and everything else is happening by itself.
JUST.
KEEP.
WATCHING.
Fabio's entire neurology must SEE how experiences happen, including of course the fears and urges and trying.

Yes that's totally clear for me that things and likes can stay the same as before.

Then you need to watch that fear much more closely. It is resulting from some kind of conceptual misunderstanding which may or may not need to be cleared up before those fears interfere with a full and complete commitment to see.

Please watch everything for a couple days and then report again. Watch “the need to read” books and pointers instead of actually looking for more conceptual understanding.

[Fabi1234]

Thank you Pablo I will exactly follow your instructions! Let me take some time to really look into it with focus. Then I will report back.

[pozablo]

Cool.

Would you like me to set up a Zoom session in a couple days, so we can work together in real time?

[Fabi1234]

Thank you! That sounds great, we can do this. Let me take some time to really focus over the weekend, maybe next week works for you :)

[pozablo]

Great. I think it might be really helpful at this stage.
Let me see if there are special procedures to do this through LU, and I'll get back to you.

Glad to hear Fabio will keep looking!!
But remember, this is not looking for anything!!

Just pretend you are stepping out of the picture, and just watching anything that is happening in your experience, especially in your inner experience, as it happens. It is all in a constant state of change. Notice how attention shifts on it's own from one thing to another, notice bodily reactions occurring to various thoughts and images, you can see how thoughts and images and feelings just happen. No matter what the thought or feeling is, even if it is a thought or feeling that maybe "you" are doing something. Just watch! If comments or things to say about it come up, just watch carefully. Just what is happening as it happens, on its own.