Hello ,good morning.
Q-If you ignore the stories (thoughts) and mental images what is BEHIND the fear?
A-if thoughts are ignored,nothing left behind.
Fear of loosing health,wealth,some relationship,jelosy etc etc recurrently appears and disappears.
But vigilantly looking for me also happening.today for 2-3 hours no "I am" feeling is there.I mean without any me.
When there is no me ,it's joyful,then mind start chattering,either there is fear of loosing this condition or start making plan to telling them others 😌.
So after sometimes me again appears.
I'm not separate
Re: I'm not separate
Hi,
you did a good looking with fear.
Yes, there is NOTHING behind it. So nothing is in danger.
Is there an expectation that when seeing trough the illusion of a separate self happens - that means that you will be in a great health all the time? And in the perfect relationships, that there will be no jelosy and no other any emotions?
I'm sorry for bringing the "bad" news, but this is very unrealistic expectation. Personaliy stays almost intact. If you think that seeing trought the illusion will completly change your emotions, behaviour etx. - that's utter delusion.
How do you know this?
Do you see "me", hear "me", or do you think about "me"?
The questions are very simple. Do not think about them. Just look.
Much love,
Luchana
you did a good looking with fear.
Yes, there is NOTHING behind it. So nothing is in danger.
Fear of loosing health,wealth,some relationship,jelosy etc etc recurrently appears and disappears.
Is there an expectation that when seeing trough the illusion of a separate self happens - that means that you will be in a great health all the time? And in the perfect relationships, that there will be no jelosy and no other any emotions?
I'm sorry for bringing the "bad" news, but this is very unrealistic expectation. Personaliy stays almost intact. If you think that seeing trought the illusion will completly change your emotions, behaviour etx. - that's utter delusion.
What is the experience of "me" appearing?So after sometimes me again appears.
How do you know this?
Do you see "me", hear "me", or do you think about "me"?
The questions are very simple. Do not think about them. Just look.
Much love,
Luchana
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Re: I'm not separate
Hello mam.
Happy now.
Q-is there an expectation that when seeing trough the illusion of a separate self happens - that means that you will be in a great health all the time? And in the perfect relationships, that there will be no jelosy and no other any emotions?
A- probably yes.if no me will be there , might be very peaceful.less or no attachment.if there is no others, expectations will not be there,etc.this are all assumption.but they are there.
Q-what is the experience of me appearing
How do you know it
A- no experience of me appearing,but some old pattern of thinking or sensation of me appeared.like instead of looking,I m looking.again by investigation this goes away.vastness and spaciousness loose .
Q- Do you see me,hear me or think about me.
A- can't see,can't hear , something unusual happen.may be thinking?Or stopping inquiry?Or some deep unrecognized feeling of me?
Happy now.
Q-is there an expectation that when seeing trough the illusion of a separate self happens - that means that you will be in a great health all the time? And in the perfect relationships, that there will be no jelosy and no other any emotions?
A- probably yes.if no me will be there , might be very peaceful.less or no attachment.if there is no others, expectations will not be there,etc.this are all assumption.but they are there.
Q-what is the experience of me appearing
How do you know it
A- no experience of me appearing,but some old pattern of thinking or sensation of me appeared.like instead of looking,I m looking.again by investigation this goes away.vastness and spaciousness loose .
Q- Do you see me,hear me or think about me.
A- can't see,can't hear , something unusual happen.may be thinking?Or stopping inquiry?Or some deep unrecognized feeling of me?
Re: I'm not separate
Hi,
Old trauma and conditioning which was made for a whole life would not disolve in an instant the moment when the illusion is seen trough. Recognizing that there is no separate self is just a first step, just a beginng.
Who or what is it that says:
"may be thinking?Or stopping inquiry?Or some deep unrecognized feeling of me?"
Look it is very very simple.
Do not think about the answer, just look.
Much love,
Luchana
All right. The asssumptions are assumptions and it is good to see them as assumptions and not for something real.No one knows how will be in advance, for eachone is different.probably yes.if no me will be there , might be very peaceful.less or no attachment.if there is no others, expectations will not be there,etc.this are all assumption.but they are there.
Old trauma and conditioning which was made for a whole life would not disolve in an instant the moment when the illusion is seen trough. Recognizing that there is no separate self is just a first step, just a beginng.
So how something which can't be seen or heard appears at experience?A- can't see,can't hear , something unusual happen.may be thinking?Or stopping inquiry?Or some deep unrecognized feeling of me?
Who or what is it that says:
"may be thinking?Or stopping inquiry?Or some deep unrecognized feeling of me?"
Look it is very very simple.
Do not think about the answer, just look.
Much love,
Luchana
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Re: I'm not separate
]Hello mam.happy now.
Q-So how something which can't be seen or heard appears at experience?
Who or what is it that says:
"may be thinking?Or stopping inquiry?Or some deep unrecognized feeling of me?"
A-i m looking for- who or what is saying ,but not finding anyone, i don't know is it coming from void? nobody?.
Q-So how something which can't be seen or heard appears at experience?
Who or what is it that says:
"may be thinking?Or stopping inquiry?Or some deep unrecognized feeling of me?"
A-i m looking for- who or what is saying ,but not finding anyone, i don't know is it coming from void? nobody?.
Re: I'm not separate
Hi,
How void is experienced with 5 sences?
You still are trying to solve this with thinking and no amouth of thinking is going to hep you. Thinking about this is your biggest enemy. Thinking is dead end.
What I am asking yoi is to look - looking means literally to look and not rely on memory or a content of thought. Just a simple, fresh looking again and again.
For example
When I ask you about the colour of your t-shirt - do you think about it?
Or you can just look and say what colour is.
It is that simple.
Next sit quietly and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying and just notice how they appear without you doing anything at all. Observe thoughts and answer the following questions:
Where are they coming from and going to?
Can you predict your next thought?
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?
Can you stop a thought in the middle?
Can you select any specail thought, a pleasant one?
Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thought?
Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
Take your time and let me know what you find. Please make sure that you reply to ALL question ONE by ONE.
Much love,
Luchana
And what is the experience of a void? And what brings the information that there is a void? Anf nobody?A-i m looking for- who or what is saying ,but not finding anyone, i don't know is it coming from void? nobody?.
How void is experienced with 5 sences?
You still are trying to solve this with thinking and no amouth of thinking is going to hep you. Thinking about this is your biggest enemy. Thinking is dead end.
What I am asking yoi is to look - looking means literally to look and not rely on memory or a content of thought. Just a simple, fresh looking again and again.
For example
When I ask you about the colour of your t-shirt - do you think about it?
Or you can just look and say what colour is.
It is that simple.
Next sit quietly and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying and just notice how they appear without you doing anything at all. Observe thoughts and answer the following questions:
Where are they coming from and going to?
Can you predict your next thought?
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?
Can you stop a thought in the middle?
Can you select any specail thought, a pleasant one?
Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thought?
Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
Take your time and let me know what you find. Please make sure that you reply to ALL question ONE by ONE.
Much love,
Luchana
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Re: I'm not separate
Happy now.happy Sunday.
Q-nobody?.
And what is the experience of a void? And what brings the information that there is a void? Anf nobody?
How void is experienced with 5 sences?
[A-No experience of void,is my idea or heard knowledge.
Nobody can't be experienced by five senses.
Sorry 🙏.
Q-Where are they coming from and going to?(thoughts).
A-there is no location.but from past memories?
Q-Can you predict your next thought?
A-No can't be predicted.
Q-Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing
A- no
Q-Can you stop a thought in the middle?
A- Mostly no.
Q-Can you select any specail thought, a pleasant one
A-sometimes yes .not everytime.
Q-Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thought?
A- mostly no.
Q-Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
A-sometimes yes, mostly no.
"Thoughts appears spontaneously but according to mood and situations,e.g. if i have to go to marriage party, thoughts regarding that will appear,if i have to go to meet girl friend,related thoughts appear.if there is fighting with someone - related thoughts may appears.
If getting bored,sexual thoughts appear, which gives pleasure.
Many a times very irrilavent thoughts appear.
There is no location from where they emerge,and no location where they ends.
Q-nobody?.
And what is the experience of a void? And what brings the information that there is a void? Anf nobody?
How void is experienced with 5 sences?
[A-No experience of void,is my idea or heard knowledge.
Nobody can't be experienced by five senses.
Sorry 🙏.
Q-Where are they coming from and going to?(thoughts).
A-there is no location.but from past memories?
Q-Can you predict your next thought?
A-No can't be predicted.
Q-Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing
A- no
Q-Can you stop a thought in the middle?
A- Mostly no.
Q-Can you select any specail thought, a pleasant one
A-sometimes yes .not everytime.
Q-Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thought?
A- mostly no.
Q-Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
A-sometimes yes, mostly no.
"Thoughts appears spontaneously but according to mood and situations,e.g. if i have to go to marriage party, thoughts regarding that will appear,if i have to go to meet girl friend,related thoughts appear.if there is fighting with someone - related thoughts may appears.
If getting bored,sexual thoughts appear, which gives pleasure.
Many a times very irrilavent thoughts appear.
There is no location from where they emerge,and no location where they ends.
Re: I'm not separate
Hi,
How is "past memories" shows up here now?
How EXACTLY you stop a thought in the middle?
And when you did that - give a detaield example of how this is happening in experience.
And why painful, negative or fearful thought appear if you choose to not have any?
Set a timer for 10-15 min.
And start to think ONLY for a red rose.
And nothing more for a 10-15 min.
Let me know how it goes.
Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
Nice :-) And no need to sorry :-)[A-No experience of void,is my idea or heard knowledge.
Nobody can't be experienced by five senses.
Sorry 🙏
What is "past memories" in experience?A-there is no location.but from past memories?
How is "past memories" shows up here now?
Can you look again? Try to stop it.Q-Can you stop a thought in the middle?A- Mostly no.
How EXACTLY you stop a thought in the middle?
And when you did that - give a detaield example of how this is happening in experience.
Oh, really?Q-Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thought?A- mostly no.
And why painful, negative or fearful thought appear if you choose to not have any?
All right. Let's explore the possibility to choose any kind of thougth.Q-Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?A-sometimes yes, mostly no.
Set a timer for 10-15 min.
And start to think ONLY for a red rose.
And nothing more for a 10-15 min.
Let me know how it goes.
Good observation."Thoughts appears spontaneously but according to mood and situations,e.g. if i have to go to marriage party, thoughts regarding that will appear,if i have to go to meet girl friend,related thoughts appear.if there is fighting with someone - related thoughts may appears.
If getting bored,sexual thoughts appear, which gives pleasure.
Many a times very irrilavent thoughts appear.
There is no location from where they emerge,and no location where they ends.
Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
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Re: I'm not separate
Good day.hello.
Q-What is "past memories" in experience?
How is "past memories" shows up here now?
A-Past memory are thoughts,labels, concepts and shape belief.directly no experience.but past memories trigger thought and thinking process.
Q-How EXACTLY you stop a thought in the middle?
A- usually somany thoughts are appearing in field of awerness ,that impossible to interrupt,but if attension is given on thoughts,some thoughts are interested by another thought.like if have some worrying thought, another thought replace it.e,g there is a thought of accident of someone very near and dear,and this thought is interpted by another thought -which says oh how stupid I m.etc.
Q--Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thought?
A- mostly no.
Oh, really?
And why painful, negative or fearful thought appear if you choose to not have any?
A-paindul, negative thoughts appears spontaneously,but sometimes we may choose to think pleasurable thought.
Q-Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
A-its chattering.many a time pointless.
Observation regarding thoughts---
Spontaneously happening,it's a play of thoughts.
Good, painful, positive, negative,of past,of future.
Of real ,,of unreality.
Location is not known.
Q-What is "past memories" in experience?
How is "past memories" shows up here now?
A-Past memory are thoughts,labels, concepts and shape belief.directly no experience.but past memories trigger thought and thinking process.
Q-How EXACTLY you stop a thought in the middle?
A- usually somany thoughts are appearing in field of awerness ,that impossible to interrupt,but if attension is given on thoughts,some thoughts are interested by another thought.like if have some worrying thought, another thought replace it.e,g there is a thought of accident of someone very near and dear,and this thought is interpted by another thought -which says oh how stupid I m.etc.
Q--Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thought?
A- mostly no.
Oh, really?
And why painful, negative or fearful thought appear if you choose to not have any?
A-paindul, negative thoughts appears spontaneously,but sometimes we may choose to think pleasurable thought.
Q-Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
A-its chattering.many a time pointless.
Observation regarding thoughts---
Spontaneously happening,it's a play of thoughts.
Good, painful, positive, negative,of past,of future.
Of real ,,of unreality.
Location is not known.
Re: I'm not separate
Hi,
most of all replies are coming from thinking and no looking.
Can it be really seen how "thoughts are appearing in field of awerness"?
Can it be observe in the way like in this very moment words apear on the screen?
Yes or No?
Can you look again
Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
Much love,
Luchana
most of all replies are coming from thinking and no looking.
I'm not asking how it is usually. I'm asking you to look now at this very moment in your immediate direct expereince and describe what you see.usually somany thoughts are appearing in field of awerness ,that impossible to interrupt,but if attension is given on thoughts,some thoughts are interested by another thought.like if have some worrying thought, another thought replace it.e,g there is a thought of accident of someone very near and dear,and this thought is interpted by another thought -which says oh how stupid I m.etc.
Can it be really seen how "thoughts are appearing in field of awerness"?
Can it be observe in the way like in this very moment words apear on the screen?
Yes or No?
Can you also do the exercise I gave you? Thinking for 10-15 min only about the red rose.A-paindul, negative thoughts appears spontaneously,but sometimes we may choose to think pleasurable thought.
There is no answer to the given question.Q-Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
A-its chattering.many a time pointless.
Can you look again
Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
Much love,
Luchana
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Re: I'm not separate
Hello mam.
Good day.
Q-Can it be really seen how "thoughts are appearing in field of awerness"?
Can it be observe in the way like in this very moment words apear on the screen?
Yes or No?
A-No.
Q-Can you also do the exercise I gave you? Thinking for 10-15 min only about the red rose.
A- yes,but can't think of it continuously.
Q-Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
A- no.
Thanks 🙏
Good day.
Q-Can it be really seen how "thoughts are appearing in field of awerness"?
Can it be observe in the way like in this very moment words apear on the screen?
Yes or No?
A-No.
Q-Can you also do the exercise I gave you? Thinking for 10-15 min only about the red rose.
A- yes,but can't think of it continuously.
Q-Does a thought knows to whom it is speaking too?
A- no.
Thanks 🙏
Re: I'm not separate
Hi,
you seems to give "right" answers, but I'm not sure if you really sink where i'm pointing with the given questions.
Or you just write the "right" answers?
Just to know that here we are not looking for right or wrong answers, but just looking and describing our direct immediate experience.
So tell me:
Is it totally clear that there is no thinker of thoughts?
Is it totally clear that there is no center whatsoever from which thoughts appear and to which they disappear?
Is it totally clear that NO thought has ANY power?
Is it totally clear that you can't control choose or manipulate thoughts?
Please look honestly and share what comes up.
Much love,
Luchana
you seems to give "right" answers, but I'm not sure if you really sink where i'm pointing with the given questions.
Or you just write the "right" answers?
Just to know that here we are not looking for right or wrong answers, but just looking and describing our direct immediate experience.
So tell me:
Is it totally clear that there is no thinker of thoughts?
Is it totally clear that there is no center whatsoever from which thoughts appear and to which they disappear?
Is it totally clear that NO thought has ANY power?
Is it totally clear that you can't control choose or manipulate thoughts?
Please look honestly and share what comes up.
Much love,
Luchana
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Re: I'm not separate
Good morning mam.
Q-is it totally clear that there is no thinker of thoughts?
A- yes mam.
Q-is it totally clear that there is no center whatsoever from which thoughts appear and to which they disappear
A-yes mam
Q-Is it totally clear that NO thought has ANY power?
A- this is slightly confusing, thoughts themselves are powerless,but they could become base for big problem.like wars ,fights etc.but may be it's what is happening.
Q-Is it totally clear that you can't control choose or manipulate thoughts?
A- yes whatever happens,happens by itself.
Thanks for helping 🙏
Q-is it totally clear that there is no thinker of thoughts?
A- yes mam.
Q-is it totally clear that there is no center whatsoever from which thoughts appear and to which they disappear
A-yes mam
Q-Is it totally clear that NO thought has ANY power?
A- this is slightly confusing, thoughts themselves are powerless,but they could become base for big problem.like wars ,fights etc.but may be it's what is happening.
Q-Is it totally clear that you can't control choose or manipulate thoughts?
A- yes whatever happens,happens by itself.
Thanks for helping 🙏
Re: I'm not separate
Hi,
Is this something you can observe here now?
Or it is rather something you taught and believe?
What can a thought do really?
Does a thought have intention?
Or volition?
Can a thought do anything? For example to make a big problem?
Is a thought an entity with intention to make big problems?
[/i]
I'm not asking you to imagine or think about these questions. Rather to look how it is in experience.
Please reply each question in blue.
Much love,
Luchana
And how do you know this?Is it totally clear that NO thought has ANY power?
A- this is slightly confusing, thoughts themselves are powerless,but they could become base for big problem.like wars ,fights etc.but may be it's what is happening.
Is this something you can observe here now?
Or it is rather something you taught and believe?
What can a thought do really?
Does a thought have intention?
Or volition?
Can a thought do anything? For example to make a big problem?
Is a thought an entity with intention to make big problems?
[/i]
I'm not asking you to imagine or think about these questions. Rather to look how it is in experience.
Please reply each question in blue.
Much love,
Luchana
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Re: I'm not separate
Good day.
Q-And how do you know this?
Is this something you can observe here now?
Or it is rather something you taught and believe?
What can a thought do really?
A- evethough, everything is spontaneously happening,but I can see that any task initiate by some thought,i m a doctor,so thoughts comes regarding treatment of patients and accordingly actions happen.
If there planning for arranging some tour,it start by thoughts regarding that tour and followed by actions which make the touring possible.so this is my observation that every work , usually start with a small thoughts- as ideas.thoughts are creating chain reaction,one thought stimulate similar related other thoughts.many thoughts are useless and totally unrelated.
Q- Does a thought have intention?
Or volition?
Can a thought do anything? For example to make a big problem?
Is a thought an entity with intention to make big problems?
A- thoughts themselves are not alive,but they can initiate a whole cascade of intention, volition,
Thoughts themselves are inert,but may initiate a big problem by stimulating willingness of doing some work.
For example a thought of murdering someone arises,this thought can't do murder,but this thought can stimulate a man for murdering someone.
Thanks 🙏
Q-And how do you know this?
Is this something you can observe here now?
Or it is rather something you taught and believe?
What can a thought do really?
A- evethough, everything is spontaneously happening,but I can see that any task initiate by some thought,i m a doctor,so thoughts comes regarding treatment of patients and accordingly actions happen.
If there planning for arranging some tour,it start by thoughts regarding that tour and followed by actions which make the touring possible.so this is my observation that every work , usually start with a small thoughts- as ideas.thoughts are creating chain reaction,one thought stimulate similar related other thoughts.many thoughts are useless and totally unrelated.
Q- Does a thought have intention?
Or volition?
Can a thought do anything? For example to make a big problem?
Is a thought an entity with intention to make big problems?
A- thoughts themselves are not alive,but they can initiate a whole cascade of intention, volition,
Thoughts themselves are inert,but may initiate a big problem by stimulating willingness of doing some work.
For example a thought of murdering someone arises,this thought can't do murder,but this thought can stimulate a man for murdering someone.
Thanks 🙏
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