Ok, there no I, I can't point to an I, but there's a body and mind that together is leveled labeled I".
When I close my eyes, the only way I know there a body is a sensation of some part of the body.Exercise about the body : close your eyes and write down what is going on.
What is called a body outside of thought ?
Does it have limits outside of thought ?
Does it have a size, a weight ?
Does it have a location, outside of thought ?
OK. When you say "sensations are limited and create a sense of limited space that it inhabits" is there a frontier between the space of sensations and the space in general (I understand from what you say that there are two spaces). Is there a frontier between the sensations and knowing of them?When I close my eyes, the only way I know there a body is a sensation of some part of the body.
There are felt limits of the body as the sensations are limited and create a sense of limited space that it inhabits.
I don't think it has a size or weight
Outside of the sensation, no location.
That's a really difficult question to answer. I'm not sure how to respond.
OK. When you say "sensations are limited and create a sense of limited space that it inhabits" is there a frontier between the space of sensations and the space in general (I understand from what you say that there are two spaces). Is there a frontier between the sensations and knowing of them?
.After answering to the above questions, I recommend this exercise for you : observe your thoughts during 5 mn and put thoughts whith I, me, mine, ... personal thoughts in the first column and all other thoughts in a second column
Maybe 10%What is the percentage of the personal thoughts ?
No I can't pinpoint one. Things seem to arise in their own accordIs there a you making thoughts arise ?
I want to say yes I do because there a very strong belief, but I don't know. If I could control them, they would all be amazing thoughts, so I guess not thenCan you control thoughts ?
NoCan you stop a thought in the middle ?
You have to look at direct experience : seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching. Is there a frontier between sensations and the knowing ?That's a really difficult question to answer. I'm not sure how to respond.
You have a doubt about controlling thoughts even you said that you cannot stop a thought in a middle. Look again at your thoughts and say if there is you controlling them, making them arise. Is there a controller of whatever is happening ?I want to say yes I do because there a very strong belief, but I don't know. If I could control them, they would all be amazing thoughts, so I guess not then
When the sensation comes, the knowing comes. The knowledge of the sensation comes when it is felt in the body. Or maybe the line between the two is when the mind catches the sensation to label it "itchy leg" or something similar. Does that answer your question?
You have to look at direct experience : seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching. Is there a frontier between sensations and the knowing ?
You have a doubt about controlling thoughts even you said that you cannot stop a thought in a middle. Look again at your thoughts and say if there is you controlling them, making them arise. Is there a controller of whatever is happening ?
Do you see a line or is it only an imagined one ? There is a difference between an existing line and an image of a line.Or maybe the line between the two is when the mind catches the sensation to label it "itchy leg" or something similar. Does that answer your question?
Look at this : if you are choosing certain thoughts, you will know them before they arise, is it the case?My gut wants to say no, but the mind wants ownership over those decisions to think thoughts. There are thoughts that just show up from nowhere and there are thoughts that I take ownership over as mine or by that I thought them. I don't know if I'm getting this
Hi Brendo
It's imagined
Do you see a line or is it only an imagined one ? There is a difference between an existing line and an image of a line.
That's true, yes
Look at this : if you are choosing certain thoughts, you will know them before they arise, is it the case?
Great. There is no "I" to pretend something. A doubt is a thought as you said it.Something happened last night. There was a realization talking to a friend of mine. I was going through the similar process and questions with him. And it clicked. It was very subtle but today there is a different hue to the world. Peaceful. Things are just happening. "me" didn't exist in reality only in thought and nobody is doing the thinking, thinking happens as that's what the mind and body do on their own. I don't exist. There's also a very subtle thought popping up that says "Is it real or an "I" just pretebnding". So that brings doubt or just that thought which gets labeled as doubt.
Can you help "me" clarify?
There only one thing happening and that's LIFE. Trees moving subtly, wind blowing, son shining, people walking.
Great. There is no "I" to pretend something. A doubt is a thought as you said it.
Now, you go for a walk and let sink this recognition. Look at the trees, other people, clouds, nature and tell me if there is a you, a separate self in any shape or form ?
Is there a controller making choices ?
Is there an experiencer of what is going on ?
best wishes
Warissem
An action happens and after the fact a thought comes and takes ownership. Or a thought pops up out of nowhere with the idea to take an action. There's can't be a decision maker in that equation. Either the thought pops up and brings the idea to take an action or the action is spontaneous and thoughts come after to take ownership, either way, no decision maker.
We'll look at this illusion of a separate self from other angles.
How about decision ? Is there a decision maker ? Give examples
Is there a you having intention ? Elaborate on that
Free will doesn't exist. It can't. If thoughts just show up, and sensations just show up, and emotions just show up, and if action is just a response to all of those objects, then there can't be free will. The illusion of free will exists in the taking of ownership of those thoughts and actions. There's already a momentum moving "us" forward that exists in tendancy, behavior, perceptions etc etc that makes for how things unfold.
Good. Would you speak about free will ? How does it work ?
Are you responsible for something ?
Are you existing in time ?
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