The Gate

Can you realize that the actual experience of hearing and the attached thoughts that arise are different experiences?

How are they? Can you explain this please. Because I experience them as the same. They both arrive and from where they come, I don't know.

One is "hearing". The other one is "thinking". Listen to this sound: http://soundbible.com/889-Noise.html

What kind of sound is this?
Is it coming from more than one source?
Watch, how ideas or images arise that fit/explain/complement the sound.
Can you see how there is the bare experience of hearing, and at the same time thinking is happening, trying to label the experience?

One is "hearing". The other one is "thinking"

. I understand that there are two things, but arent we just labelling them? Ie aren't thoes two thing actually just one of the same? I still don't see how they are inherently different. Even though the experience is different, the origin from where they came from is surely the same place?

What kind of sound is this?
Is it coming from more than one source?
Watch, how ideas or images arise that fit/explain/complement the sound.
Can you see how there is the bare experience of hearing, and at the same time thinking is happening, trying to label the experience?

The kind of sound I heard reminded me of gravel, ie that was the picture that my mind attracted to the sound.

Once again I know that the sound came through my phone speakers, but where that sound originated from before it arrived in the space, I don't know where that is.

I understand very well that my thoughts want to label my experience. The mind is quite mad like that!

I understand that there are two things, but arent we just labelling them? Ie aren't thoes two thing actually just one of the same? I still don't see how they are inherently different. Even though the experience is different, the origin from where they came from is surely the same place?

Ultimately, nothing is separated, right. There is only this-here-now. However, we use (illusionary) labels, concepts and language as tools here. Each and every tool can be dropped later, when not needed anymore.

The kind of sound I heard reminded me of gravel, ie that was the picture that my mind attracted to the sound.

So there is the bare reality of 'hearing' and there is stuff that pops up in your mind, which appearantly only serves speculation about reality, right? This is where it's at!

Let's have another look at the "receiver of sound":

2. Yes there is a receiver, ie the body responds, however there is no location that can be found in me.

What is the "me" you're reffering to on the above statement?
Is the "receiver" something that you can sense in direct experience?
Is it something separated from experience?

What is the "me" you're reffering to on the above statement?
Is the "receiver" something that you can sense in direct experience?
Is it something separated from experience?

No the me is not something that is seperate from experience. I just need to use the label for explanation.

I am the experience the experience is happening, why its happening I don't know, but I am not attached to knowing why.

Can you spot any kind of "receiver of experience"?

There is no I present to receive the sound. But there is an awareness of the sound.

What about the body? You claimed that the body receives sound...

Yes there seems to be an auto piolet reaction and sence that the body plays out when it hears the sound.

I'm sorry that my messages will be a bit slow. It is now the crunch time of the Christmas season and things are a bit crazy. And yet however I have also enjoyed the space from this platform at the same time.

I hope you find it okay for this dialogue to be a slow unfolding if it needs to be? If not please express and I will feel into compromise.

I'm sorry that my messages will be a bit slow. It is now the crunch time of the Christmas season and things are a bit crazy.
I hope you find it okay for this dialogue to be a slow unfolding if it needs to be? If not please express and I will feel into compromise.

That's okay. Thanks for letting me know.
You can use the Xmas hustle to LOOK, whenever you have a minute to take a breath. Ask yourself repetitively:
Is there a doer to find, a creator of all the acticities, a maker of decisions?

There is no I present to receive the sound. But there is an awareness of the sound.

Can you recognise awareness and hearing as separated experiences?
Can you recognise hearing without being aware?
Can you recognise awareness without experience (of hearing or seeing, feeling, thinking etc)?

What about the body? You claimed that the body receives sound...

Yes there seems to be an auto piolet reaction and sence that the body plays out when it hears the sound.

There is 'hearing' happening, as well as 'thinking' and 'feeling' (of bodily sensations).
Where / how do you perceive that there 'seems to be a reaction'? Look mindfully!

Is there a doer to find, a creator of all the acticities, a maker of decisions?

No I can not find a doer and yet my body still goes aroud doing things.

Can you recognise awareness and hearing as separated experiences?
Can you recognise hearing without being aware?
Can you recognise awareness without experience (of hearing or seeing, feeling, thinking etc)?

All I recognise is awareness. It is not seperate from experience, it is all I'm experiencing.

There is 'hearing' happening, as well as 'thinking' and 'feeling' (of bodily sensations).
Where / how do you perceive that there 'seems to be a reaction'? Look mindfully!

I am only aware of them. I am swear of them in different locations. I don't know where they arise from I am only aware that they happen.


Sorry for long delay. The holiday is officially over tomorrow. I will be most grateful if we can continue.

Yes Happy New Year to you too.
Gemma

Welcome Back, Gemma!

I'll answer you tomorrow.
Alles Liebe,
Daniel

I can not find a doer and yet my body still goes aroud doing things

Do you own your body?
Are you inside your body?

Don't think, just look into direct experience!

Do you own your body?
Are you inside your body?

I don't own anything, I am only aware of my body. I am inside my body, but I am also outside and everywhere else too. Which paradoxically brings me back to there being no inside or outside. But awareness still remains the only thing I know.

Your answers indicate that you are not experiencing a separate self.
But I am not sure whether you are answering from an intellectual understanding or whether this is your crystal clear undoubted experience.

What do you say?

Your answers indicate that you are not experiencing a separate self.
But I am not sure whether you are answering from an intellectual understanding or whether this is your crystal clear undoubted experience.

What do you say?

Well to answer I would need to go back to the beginning of our thread, where you reminded me that the letting go of habits is a slow unfolding.

I would say there is increasingly more life experience where I am identifying as awareness and less life experience when I'm identifying with separate self. With the intention of growing more and more into awareness its self.

So there's the undoubted knowing and the experience of that knowing and also the continued practice of looking, which is essential for me as the journey of dissolving condition continues.

Hey! Sorry for the delay, I will answer tomorrow!