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Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm
by Bananafish
Hello Charles. :)
I feel a lot closer to me in this moment with all the senses going.
When you say "I feel a lot closer to me,"
What are "I" and "me" in this sentence?
Warm regards,
Bananafish
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:00 pm
by charleshyde
Thoughts that when examined point at something not found. But thery are stronger and more abundant in the present moment than as memories - although these can seem powerful tool.
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:07 pm
by Bananafish
Sorry, Charles, the last post you posted didn't make sense to me.
What are stronger and more abundant?
Do you mean that "I" and "me" are not found anywhere?
Then, what does the sentence "I feel a lot closer to me" mean?
Bananafish
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:36 pm
by charleshyde
I just mean there are more thoughts of 'I'ness in the present moment than as a memory. I'll try to write plainer - it's a habit of using long words ☺
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:18 pm
by Bananafish
Hi Charles!
I just mean there are more thoughts of 'I'ness in the present moment than as a memory. I'll try to write plainer - it's a habit of using long words ☺
No worries. :)
Could you tell what "thoughts of 'I'ness" is?
Best wishes,
Bananafish
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:29 am
by charleshyde
'I'Ness is my way of describing the sense of an identity, a thinker, an owner of thoughts, emotions and sensations. Memories are vague and often clearly to be distrusted but questioning the sense of a doer in the present seems a bigger job.
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:00 am
by Bananafish
Hi!
'I'Ness is my way of describing the sense of an identity, a thinker, an owner of thoughts, emotions and sensations. Memories are vague and often clearly to be distrusted but questioning the sense of a doer in the present seems a bigger job.
Can you feel "the sense of an identity (or doer)" right now?
Is that a thought? Imagination? Bodily sensations? Or else?
How do you perceive it?
Best wishes,
Bananafish
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:10 pm
by charleshyde
I can't feel it - there are feelings being felt but not by a me. I just got frustrated during a presentation I was making and said something I shouldn't have. I felt bad. This is emotion, thought. I feel heavy in my feet. Thoughts like - soldier on occurring. Imagining further problems.
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:24 pm
by Bananafish
Hi Charles!
I can't feel it - there are feelings being felt but not by a me. I just got frustrated during a presentation I was making and said something I shouldn't have. I felt bad. This is emotion, thought. I feel heavy in my feet. Thoughts like - soldier on occurring. Imagining further problems.
Is the sense of identity imagined,
inferred from all these sensory imputs?
Warm regards,
Bananafish
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:31 pm
by charleshyde
I reckon identity becomes a thing when it is thought about. I'm like this - this will happen if I don't do that etc. So I suppose the more thoughts there are like this, the stronger the sense of a doer is. It's not like I have a clear sense of self though. Just some thoughts that are to do with that subject which I am now questioning.
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:57 pm
by Bananafish
Hi Charles. :)
I reckon identity becomes a thing when it is thought about. I'm like this - this will happen if I don't do that etc. So I suppose the more thoughts there are like this, the stronger the sense of a doer is. It's not like I have a clear sense of self though. Just some thoughts that are to do with that subject which I am now questioning.
Oh, please don’t suppose anything. :). Instead, observe what is here and now,
right in this moment.
Is it true that something like “sense of doer” really exists?
Or are you inferring it from the thoughts about the “I,” which are thoughts about thoughts?
Kind regards,
Bananafish
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:59 am
by charleshyde
I don't believe "sense of doer" exists other than as a thought. It can't be found with any of the other senses.
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:15 am
by Bananafish
I don't believe "sense of doer" exists other than as a thought. It can't be found with any of the other senses.
Is there any “doer?”
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:05 am
by charleshyde
I don't know - could you help me to look for a doer or absence of one again, perhaps in another way - if I were to say no doer now I feel I wouldn't really know what I was saying. Feels like a step into the unknown.
Re: Learning to Look
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:18 am
by Bananafish
Hi Charles!
I don't know - could you help me to look for a doer or absence of one again, perhaps in another way - if I were to say no doer now I feel I wouldn't really know what I was saying. Feels like a step into the unknown.
That’s great, indeed!
You don’t know. Now,if you don’t know anything, can you say that
there is a doer? Yes or no?
Walk around, and while walking, please try to find the one that is
walking. Where is it? Is there an entity that’s moving the legs?
Best wishes,
Bananafish