Beingness

[Artst]

Hi, Andrew,

No ''I'' cannot be found in DE. I is a word/label/thought.

Great!

Even when seeing that "I" only exists as thought content, the question of what's controlling action often remains. Here's an exercise designed to assist in seeing through the issue of control:

Sit quietly and take a few deep breaths. With you eyes closed, slowly lift and lower your arm 25 times and as you do so, focus on observing whether there is any evidence that someone (like I) is causing the arm to lift.

Let me know wha you find, ok?

Love,
Robyn

[ulduffer]

Robyn,

Sit quietly and take a few deep breaths. With you eyes closed, slowly lift and lower your arm 25 times and as you do so, focus on observing whether there is any evidence that someone (like I) is causing the arm to lift.

Let me know wha you find, ok?

There is no evidence in DE that someone is causing the arm to lift.

Love

Andrew

[Artst]

Dear Andrew,

There is no evidence in DE that someone is causing the arm to lift.

Good job!

Andrew, in your answers, you qualify that there's no evidence in "DE." Can you say with a big fat "yes" that there is no "I," period?

Love,

Robyn

[ulduffer]

Andrew, in your answers, you qualify that there's no evidence in "DE." Can you say with a big fat "yes" that there is no "I," period?

In DE, YES! Period? Probably no at the moment.Doubts/thoughts arise like especially during the arm raising exercise,”maybe this is BS” etc.
The content of thoughts or doubt isn’t direct experience but I need to be 100% honest and sure. There it is again the “I” thought haha. This is tough

[Artst]

HI, Andrew,

Doubts/thoughts arise like especially during the arm raising exercise,”maybe this is BS” etc.
The content of thoughts or doubt isn’t direct experience but I need to be 100% honest and sure. There it is again the “I” thought haha. This is tough

It's not unusual for there to be resistance - the thoughts are patterned to preserve a certain life view. Here's an exercise to reveal the nature of thought.

Sit quietly for about 30 minutes and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying and just notice how they appear without your doing anything at all.

Where are they coming from and going to?
Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
Can you predict your next thought?
Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?

It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice -- is there is an organised sequence?
Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?

I look forward to your reply.

Sending love,

Robyn

[ulduffer]

Robyn,

Where are they coming from and going to?

They arise spontaneously from nowhere/nothing and fade into nowhere/bothing.

Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?

No

Can you predict your next thought?

Definitely not

Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?

Absolutely not

Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?

No way

Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?

No chance

Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?

Nope

It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice -- is there is an organised sequence?
Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?

There is no logical ordered appearance or sequence.

Love

Andrew

[Artst]

Andrew,

Great job! Your answers cracked me up!

So, what is the conclusion about the validity of thought contents for being relayers of the truth?

Love,

Robyn

[ulduffer]

Robyn,

Great job! Your answers cracked me up!

Good! :D

So, what is the conclusion about the validity of thought contents for being relayers of the truth?

Thought content is NOT the truth, the content is not reality.

Love

Andrew

[Artst]

Andrew,

You are right on!

Is there any question for you that there is no "I?"

Sending love,

Robyn

[ulduffer]

Greetings Robyn,

Is there any question for you that there is no "I?"

''I'' is always only a thought and CANNOT be found ever in DE. The ''I'' is an illusion.

Much love

Andrew

[Artst]

HI, Andrew,

''I'' is always only a thought and CANNOT be found ever in DE. The ''I'' is an illusion.

You're not just writing this because it's the "right" thing, correct? If it is, there's more we can do. You sound solid, but I want to be sure.

What have you noticed since the realization? Has there been any kind of experiential shift?

Lots of love,

Robyn

[ulduffer]

You're not just writing this because it's the "right" thing, correct? If it is, there's more we can do. You sound solid, but I want to be sure.

‘’I’’ cannot by found in DE because it is a label just like apple or Andrew are labels. If that is all to it which it seems then “I” get it.

What have you noticed since the realization? Has there been any kind of experiential shift?

Since the realisation there has been less attachment from thought content and less reaction to it . Some peaceful bliss while doing mundane things. Then an example yesterday evening of a heated discussion with “my” partner where the body got tensed up and sadness and frustration arose. These feelings felt like separation and non understanding. That being said there was compassion, acceptance and allowing of this “difficult” moment compared to the past where “I” would shrink back into the separate self more.


Now “I” understand that the last few lines maybe be considered thoughts and not to do with DE but it can be difficult to communicate because language is limited in “my”opionion.

[Artst]

Hi, Andrew,

‘’I’’ cannot by found in DE because it is a label just like apple or Andrew are labels. If that is all to it which it seems then “I” get it.

Being very rigorous, apple doesn't exist as apple. BUT the label "apple" does refer to something tangible. What does Andrew refer to? What real thing, detectable by DE, does "I" refer to? Direct Experience isn't an alternate reality, it's the method for seeing what's actually real. Do you get this?

Since the realisation there has been less attachment from thought content and less reaction to it .

This is good!

Sending love,

Robyn

[ulduffer]

Hi Robyn,

Being very rigorous, apple doesn't exist as apple. BUT the label "apple" does refer to something tangible.

Yes, understand.

What does Andrew refer to?

The body that is always present in DE.

What real thing, detectable by DE, does "I" refer to?

The body and mind.

Direct Experience isn't an alternate reality, it's the method for seeing what's actually real. Do you get this?

Yes DE isn't an alternate reality. It's what's absolutely true right now without anything to be added to it or taken away from it. For example adding interpretations, ie thought content.

Love

Andrew

[Artst]

Hi, Andrew,

The body that is always present in DE.

So, the body is Andrew? Was the body Andrew at birth?

The body and mind.

Again, the body is I? And please describe the mind in DE (where is it located, what does it look, smell, sound, or feel like?).

Love,

Robyn