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It seems that you are trying to grasp something intellectually.
It is very very simple.
What do you SEE here?
(Label) An apple.. (Seeing) ColourIt seems that you are trying to grasp something intellectually.
It is very very simple.
What do you SEE here?
The stories about objects are clearly just thought fluff.So objects exist but any story made up about them does not.
Yes it exists without the thought label. Only thought content would describe the "apple" it can be seen as it isExactly.
The stories about objects are clearly just thought fluff.So objects exist but any story made up about them does not.
This is easily discovered.
But would an "apple" exist without the thought lable "apple"?
Does the pure seen tell anything about "apple"?
Yes it exists without the thought label.But would an "apple" exist without the thought lable "apple"?
What exists is the experience of it.A thought label is thought content by the way.
It is not invisible, it is seen...felt....tasted, heard (all thought labels too) its experienced as isWhat exists is the experience of it.A thought label is thought content by the way.
Not right now no...Are there any open questions at this point?
Life continues with a calmness like never felt before. No worries, no stress, no control because there is no i to feel those things. No expectations, no regrets or supressed, bottled up feelings. Because they dont exist now. Only thought content which is seen for what it is, which is not real just observed. Experiences are just that. They come and pass through. Peace in not knowing anything! To just Be!!! Bliss! Free! On occassion an "i" identity wants to claim ownership but is seen for what it is. Such joy.....sensations are beautiful. Life is happening. Just without all the bullshit!!Okay then!
I'd be happy to hear from you again within the next days.
Just keep telling a little what comes up.
What changes?
What stays the same?
Looking very much forward to that!
That's so amazing!!
I feel that we are done here, that this can now unfold and proliferate further by itself.
Through simply relaxing and enjoying things as they are.
I'd like to pose the final questions. Is that okay?
When you See! Just Look, there is nothing more to seek. How can we seek what already was. Experience is beautifully just that!Here they come:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No there is not, in any shape or form. It is and always was non existent!
2) Please explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of separate self starts from thought and thought content of an experience. The experience is real but the story (thought content) around that experience is not real. It is imagined.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It is undeniably calming and freeing! There was seeking from an 'I' previously, searching for answers to continue its story. A story that was not real, that has no control over experience now!
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Realisation that 'i' was an illusion and that there was no control, that thought content is NOT REAL!
5) Please describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
There is no choice, no decisions, no free will! Life just happens without identity, without an entity. It flows naturally as it should. What and who can be responsible when an 'i' does not exist!
6) Anything to add?
