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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby forgetmenot » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:11 am

Hello Lee,
These seem like habitual patterns that will pop up to see if we are watching. At this point,being alert to the possibility of re-identification is important.
What is it exactly that can re-identify or identify with anything? That in itself is just another thought.
Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all actual experience) and report back how you go.
Here are some broken down daily tasks:
Sitting in chair, simply = Pressure
Writing, simply = Movement
Standing, simply = Pressure
Shirt on the body, simply = Sensation
Drinking coffee, simply = Movement
Thought about moving computer, simply = Thought
Feeling kitchen counter, simply = Sensation
Hearing stomach growling, simply = Sound
Head turning, simply = Movement
Typing, simply = Movement
Actual experience is simply, sound, taste, smell, colour, thought and sensation.

What is the AE of “movement” and “pressure”? They are thoughts that try to describe actual experience and are therefore AE of thought.

The AE of sensation not only refers to touch, but it also refers to ‘body’ sensation such as “pressure”.

So I would like for you to continue doing this exercise without using words to described actual experience. This is an important distinction. We are becoming aware of AE and aware of what thought says about AE.

With love, Kay
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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby Lee0101 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:59 am

Hi Kay,
What is it exactly that can re-identify or identify with anything? That in itself is just another thought.
AHA! Thank you. Absolutely nothing is identifying. Who is re-identifying? If there is a 'me' or 'I am' that is identifying; that is saying that a thought is acting, and identifying as or with another thought.
So I would like for you to continue doing this exercise without using words to described actual experience. This is an important distinction. We are becoming aware of AE and aware of what thought says about AE.
What I saw as the AE of movement in typing was fingers moving. Head turning was movement of the head. Pressure was the pressure in the feet from standing. I will keep working on this and report back.

Thank you very much for the help with the AE exercise, and the very first question - a good wake up shake.

Lee

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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby forgetmenot » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:09 am

Hey Lee,
What I saw as the AE of movement in typing was fingers moving. Head turning was movement of the head. Pressure was the pressure in the feet from standing. I will keep working on this and report back.
I would like you to close your eyes and put your fingers on the keyboard, as if you are about to start to type. Put aside all thoughts and images that appear and just become aware of the 'fingers on the keyboard'. What experience do you find?

Then with eyes still closed...start typing. Once again ignore all thoughts and images that appear....what experience do you find. No descriptions...just what the AE is.

Now look carefully, can 'movement' be found in AE or is that just thoughts about something moving?

With love, Kay
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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby Lee0101 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:47 am

Hi Kay,
Here is what came up.
I would like you to close your eyes and put your fingers on the keyboard, as if you are about to start to type. Put aside all thoughts and images that appear and just become aware of the 'fingers on the keyboard'. What experience do you find?
Fingers on keys. Without thoughts, it is just sensation on the fingertips. Without the word fingertips, it is just sensation.
Then with eyes still closed...start typing. Once again ignore all thoughts and images that appear....what experience do you find. No descriptions...just what the AE is.
Pressing keys. Without labeling the typing or thinking, it just feels like happenings. The tendency to label quickly without experiencing is there.
Now look carefully, can 'movement' be found in AE or is that just thoughts about something moving?
No, 'movement' is not there, it is just a thought. This is very subtle. Impersonal movement only. Whoa...


At first, this exercise was difficult to get started. I noticed that the tendency to quickly label instead of experiencing comes up quickly.

Thank you,

Lee

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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby forgetmenot » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:53 am

Hey Lee,
I would like you to close your eyes and put your fingers on the keyboard, as if you are about to start to type. Put aside all thoughts and images that appear and just become aware of the 'fingers on the keyboard'. What experience do you find?
Fingers on keys. Without thoughts, it is just sensation on the fingertips. Without the word fingertips, it is just sensation.
Yes, so the actual experience is simply sensation. Thought points to the sensation and tells a story about how it is fingers on keys.

The thought "fingers on keyboard" is the AE of sensation and not the AE of fingers on keyboard
The thoughts about "fingers on keyboard" are the AE of thought and not the AE of fingers on keyboard
Can you see this?

Then with eyes still closed...start typing. Once again ignore all thoughts and images that appear....what experience do you find. No descriptions...just what the AE is.
Pressing keys. Without labeling the typing or thinking, it just feels like happenings. The tendency to label quickly without experiencing is there.
What exactly is it that is “labelling quickly”? We will look at thought next, as soon as I am sure you have AE under the belt.

What is the actual experience? Whether thought says the “fingers are moving” or that the “fingers are just resting on the keys”…what is the actual experience?
Now look carefully, can 'movement' be found in AE or is that just thoughts about something moving?
No, 'movement' is not there, it is just a thought. This is very subtle. Impersonal movement only. Whoa...
Yes, lovely….’movement’ is the AE of thought.

So, I would like you to revisit these and tell me what the actual experience is please.

Sitting in chair, simply = Pressure
Writing, simply = Movement
Standing, simply = Pressure
Drinking coffee, simply = Movement
Head turning, simply = Movement


With love, Kay
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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby Lee0101 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:08 am

Hi Kay,

Thank you for sticking with me on AE to make sure it is clear. It is taking a while to see past the labels and thoughts associated with AE.
The thought "fingers on keyboard" is the AE of sensation and not the AE of fingers on keyboard
The thoughts about "fingers on keyboard" are the AE of thought and not the AE of fingers on keyboard
Can you see this?
Yes, I can see what you are saying. After reading it a few times, it has gotten clearer.
What exactly is it that is “labelling quickly”?
There is not a some-thing labeling quickly, just the conditioning like a thought reflex so to speak to label the AE. It is only thoughts, not AE or a 'me' labeling.
What is the actual experience? Whether thought says the “fingers are moving” or that the “fingers are just resting on the keys”…what is the actual experience?
Sensation only.
So, I would like you to revisit these and tell me what the actual experience is please.

Sitting in chair, simply = Pressure
Writing, simply = Movement
Standing, simply = Pressure
Drinking coffee, simply = Movement
Head turning, simply = Movement
Sitting in chair, simply = Sensation
Writing, simply = Sensation
Standing, simply = Sensation
Drinking coffee, simply = Sensation
Head turning, simply = Sensation

Without the thought of 'Sensation', it is nothing. Nothing to write.

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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby forgetmenot » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:54 am

Hey Lee,

Nice job with persisting with becoming aware of AE. It can take a while to shift from thinking to looking, but it does become easier.

Just keep breaking down activities on a daily basis for several more days, until AE becomes clearer and clearer.
Sitting in chair, simply = Sensation
Writing, simply = Sensation
Standing, simply = Sensation
Drinking coffee, simply = Sensation
Head turning, simply = Sensation
Terrific!
Without the thought of 'Sensation', it is nothing. Nothing to write.
Yes, exactly! ‘Sensation’ is a label given to experience and without that label there is nothing but THIS/Isness :)



Let’s have a look at the nature of thought.

Here is a step-by-step description of how to look at thoughts. First thing is to sit for at least 10-15 minutes quietly somewhere, several times throughout your day. Close the eyes and just notice thoughts. Don’t engage with any thought, just notice them.

1. Notice the current thought that is present.
Like when you sit observing the body, a thought might arise “this is my feet” or “here is a pain” or “my breathing is too quick” or “I am bored with this exercise” or “I have better things to do” or any sorts of thoughts.

2. This thought will pass and another thought will come. So just observe this thought passing.

3. Then wait for the next thought to come.

4. When the next thought is present, just notice it, and see how it passes.

5. Then wait for the next thought to come.

6. Repeat #4 and #5 many-many times.

Between the 2 thoughts there is a gap. It can be very short or subtle, just a second or a few seconds before the next thought come in.

This is how to look at thoughts.
Looking how they come and go.
And observing the short gap between them.
Noticing how the current thought is passing.
And waiting for the next thought to come.

Please do the following exercise:
Throughout your waking day, try to observe the gap between thoughts as often as possible. It can be done by noticing that ‘thinking’ is happening right now, then stop and just simply wait for the next thought to come. In the ‘waiting’ there is a gap between two thoughts.
Let me know how you go.



With love, Kay
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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby Lee0101 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:46 pm

Hi Kay,

Thank you for the feedback. I will do the exercises as you asked and will report back.

Thank you,

Lee

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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby Lee0101 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:01 pm

Kay,

I have continued to break down daily activities. There seems to be a continued freedom in breaking down activities into AE. There isn't an 'I' or 'me' attached to it, just very happy. When thoughts or situations at work or in daily life come up that would usually annoy me, now I am starting to see them as just thought or I laugh at it. Not trying to contain or restrict life into a 'my' life is such a relief and so much more enjoyable.
Please do the following exercise:
Throughout your waking day, try to observe the gap between thoughts as often as possible. It can be done by noticing that ‘thinking’ is happening right now, then stop and just simply wait for the next thought to come. In the ‘waiting’ there is a gap between two thoughts.
Let me know how you go.


Then gap between thoughts is like open space with no edges or boundaries. Just peace and silence. Once the mind is stilled or no thoughts coming, there's only that knowing presence.

Lee

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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby forgetmenot » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:25 pm

Hi Lee,

Thank you for being so willing to look and do the exercises. It makes guiding so much more pleasurable.
I have continued to break down daily activities. There seems to be a continued freedom in breaking down activities into AE. There isn't an 'I' or 'me' attached to it, just very happy. When thoughts or situations at work or in daily life come up that would usually annoy me, now I am starting to see them as just thought or I laugh at it. Not trying to contain or restrict life into a 'my' life is such a relief and so much more enjoyable.
That’s great to hear. When an emotion (which is simply label + sensation + thought) appears, break it down into AE so you get to see what is actually appearing. For example, let’s say that ‘frustration’ appears at work or wherever, have a look at what the AE is.
Let me know how you go.
Please do the following exercise:
Throughout your waking day, try to observe the gap between thoughts as often as possible. It can be done by noticing that ‘thinking’ is happening right now, then stop and just simply wait for the next thought to come. In the ‘waiting’ there is a gap between two thoughts.
Let me know how you go.
Then gap between thoughts is like open space with no edges or boundaries. Just peace and silence. Once the mind is stilled or no thoughts coming, there's only that knowing presence.
Without thought, how is it known that there was a gap? However, the purpose of the exercise was to become aware of how thought arises and subsides and when looking for the ‘gap’, that is how to look to see if you can find the ‘separate self’.

The idea that there needs to be a “stilled mind” for ‘knowing presence’ to be known is a story. Experience (aka knowing presence) appears as sound, thought, colour, sensation, smell and taste…not the other way round. Everything that appears is ‘made of’ experience, so everything is ‘knowing presence’. So experience is appearing as thought. The content of thought is just further thought and thought, in and of itself contains no experience and is meaningless. In other words, it is only thought that gives thoughts meaning.

So, let’s have a look at the nature of thought.

Sit quietly and close your eyes. Take in a couple of deep breaths to settle the dust and then for the next 30 minutes or so and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying and just notice how they appear, without you doing anything at all.

Where are they coming from and going to?

Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
Can you predict your next thought?

Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?

It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?


Look carefully when doing this exercise and do it several times if necessary. Please answer each question individually.

With love, Kay
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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby Lee0101 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:36 am

Hi Kay,

The gratitude is mutual. I came here for one purpose, and to the work that is needed. I'm grateful for you and this forum. It would be odd to ask for help and then not do what is asked by the Guide.
That’s great to hear. When an emotion (which is simply label + sensation + thought) appears, break it down into AE so you get to see what is actually appearing. For example, let’s say that ‘frustration’ appears at work or wherever, have a look at what the AE is.
Let me know how you go.
I had a "live" one earlier. Frustration with work and then with my wife. I don't know why, but my interacting with my wife has become increasingly difficult. Simple communication turns into an argument. We have not had a great relationship for years, it seems more like contractual roommates. I prefer very much not to talk to her. I have been interested in looking into the reasons for this reaction, and how Deep Looking can help, but this is a difficult one ( just re-read this "but this is a difficult one" is a thought). I also do not talk to her regarding my spiritual practices or looking into what is real. She has stated that she is not interested in talking about it. This is a sticky situation it seems. The sensations and thoughts were going so fast, it was difficult to break down in the moment to see them as happenings.

After re-reading what I wrote above, are my assumptions about what "should be" or how she "should be" the problem?
Without thought, how is it known that there was a gap? However, the purpose of the exercise was to become aware of how thought arises and subsides and when looking for the ‘gap’, that is how to look to see if you can find the ‘separate self’.
I don't know exactly what notices the 'gap' or stillness. Some people call it awareness for a lack of a better term. I was aware of the rising and subsidence of thought. The thoughts rise from nothing and fall into nothing. No separation.
Sit quietly and close your eyes. Take in a couple of deep breaths to settle the dust and then for the next 30 minutes or so and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying and just notice how they appear, without you doing anything at all.

Where are they coming from and going to?
Thoughts are arising from nowhere and going to nowhere.
Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
No, just appearing.
Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
No
Can you predict your next thought?
No
Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
No
Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
No
Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
No
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?
No
It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?
No, thoughts do not follow a logical order. It seems that if agitation is present, the more attention that is given to thoughts, the more illogical they get. Thoughts about thoughts about thoughts.

I will continue to do the breakdowns and the noticing of thoughts arising exercise.

Thank you for your help.

Lee

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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby forgetmenot » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:03 am

Hey Lee,
That’s great to hear. When an emotion (which is simply label + sensation + thought) appears, break it down into AE so you get to see what is actually appearing. For example, let’s say that ‘frustration’ appears at work or wherever, have a look at what the AE is.
Let me know how you go.
I had a "live" one earlier. Frustration with work and then with my wife. I don't know why, but my interacting with my wife has become increasingly difficult. Simple communication turns into an argument. We have not had a great relationship for years, it seems more like contractual roommates. I prefer very much not to talk to her. I have been interested in looking into the reasons for this reaction, and how Deep Looking can help, but this is a difficult one ( just re-read this "but this is a difficult one" is a thought). I also do not talk to her regarding my spiritual practices or looking into what is real. She has stated that she is not interested in talking about it. This is a sticky situation it seems. The sensations and thoughts were going so fast, it was difficult to break down in the moment to see them as happenings.
It is difficult to break it down in the moment, but once the tsunami ebbs, you can always look at it then.

The label ‘frustration’ is the AE of thought and not the AE of frustration
The sensation labelled ‘frustration’ is the AE of sensation and not the AE of frustration.
The image labelled as ‘me/I/body’ is the AE of colour and not the AE of a frustrated self.
The thought “I am frustrated with…….” Is the thought, the ensuing thoughts are the content. Thoughts about what frustration is and the reason for the frustration are AE of thought and not the AE of a frustrated person.

What is actually appearing is label + sensation + colour + thoughts about frustration.

So label ‘frustration’ is known
Sensation labelled as ‘frustration’ is known’
Colour labelled as ‘me/I/body’ is known
Thoughts about ‘frustration’ are known
However, is ‘frustration’ actually known?


Here is another way of stripping the layers of story away, until all that remains is the bare bones ie actual experience. For every thought that comes up, and to determine whether it is referring to actual experience or whether it is pure fantasy, replace the thought with “blahblahblah” and check whether what it was referring to remains.
Let me know how you go.
After re-reading what I wrote above, are my assumptions about what "should be" or how she "should be" the problem?
Actually it is the belief in ‘doership’. That who you are is a separate independent entity who is in complete control of what you think, say, feel and do; therefore you have to see the other in the same light.

Usually in the relationship dance there is guilt and blame. In other words you blame yourself for whatever is/has gone wrong based on the above belief in being the ‘doer’. The other dynamic that plays out is that blame is cast at the other and that they have wronged you – which is based on the belief that they are the ‘doer’.
Without thought, how is it known that there was a gap? However, the purpose of the exercise was to become aware of how thought arises and subsides and when looking for the ‘gap’, that is how to look to see if you can find the ‘separate self’.
I don't know exactly what notices the 'gap' or stillness. Some people call it awareness for a lack of a better term. I was aware of the rising and subsidence of thought. The thoughts rise from nothing and fall into nothing. No separation.
There is still the idea that a thought is a ‘thing’ and is something that is called a thought and has some sort of substance other that experience itself. Experience SEEMS to be appearing as thought, but it is only a thought that points to thoughts and says they are a some ‘thing’.

Yes, the witness some refer to as awareness, however there is no separation, so for something to be aware of something else points to subject/object split.

Close your eyes. With eyes closed, there is the experience of AE of colour labelled 'black’. There may a bright light, a red glow, sparkly bits or cloudy flecks appearing and disappearing - It really doesn't matter about the specifics. We are just noticing ‘black’.

1) With eyes closed, can you confirm that what is experienced is simply AE of colour labelled ‘black’?
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than seeing ‘black’?
3) Can what is seeing ‘black’ found?
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a person be found that is ‘seeing’ ‘black’?

Is there anything that is witnessing the colour labelled ‘black’? Or is there just 'black’ to be found?

Look very carefully. Where does ‘seeing’ end and colour begin? Can a dividing line between ‘seeing’ and colour be found? Or is there just seeing/colour?

Can a 'see-er' ever be found in 'what is being seen' – AE colour?

If that is all, and no INHERENT SEE-ER found . . . would anything that is suggested as the see-er be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?


Okay….then open the eyes and look around.

Is there a difference between the ‘black’ when eyes are closed and ‘colour’ when eyes are open or are they both simply the appearance of colour?

Is there anything that is witnessing colour?


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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby Lee0101 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:50 pm

Hi Kay,

Thank you, thank you for the earlier guidance. I have been continuing breaking down daily activities into AE. The difference between the AE of thought (content) and actual AE is becoming clearer.
So label ‘frustration’ is known
Sensation labelled as ‘frustration’ is known’
Colour labelled as ‘me/I/body’ is known
Thoughts about ‘frustration’ are known
However, is ‘frustration’ actually known?
No, frustration is not know, it is only a label and not AE. It is like considering 'I' as AE when it is only a label.
Here is another way of stripping the layers of story away, until all that remains is the bare bones ie actual experience. For every thought that comes up, and to determine whether it is referring to actual experience or whether it is pure fantasy, replace the thought with “blahblahblah” and check whether what it was referring to remains.
Let me know how you go.
I tried this and started laughing. It is definitely effective. The blahblahblah shut down the fantasy. Doing these exercises makes everything we take seriously in life seem very trivial - haha.
After re-reading what I wrote above, are my assumptions about what "should be" or how she "should be" the problem?

Actually it is the belief in ‘doership’. That who you are is a separate independent entity who is in complete control of what you think, say, feel and do; therefore you have to see the other in the same light.

Usually in the relationship dance there is guilt and blame. In other words you blame yourself for whatever is/has gone wrong based on the above belief in being the ‘doer’. The other dynamic that plays out is that blame is cast at the other and that they have wronged you – which is based on the belief that they are the ‘doer’.
Yes, very clear. The belief in 'My thoughts' and doership is the root. Thank you.
Is there anything that is witnessing the colour labelled ‘black’? Or is there just 'black’ to be found?
There is no found experiencer, only black.
Look very carefully. Where does ‘seeing’ end and colour begin? Can a dividing line between ‘seeing’ and colour be found? Or is there just seeing/colour?
There is only seeing / color, no dividing line at all.
Can a 'see-er' ever be found in 'what is being seen' – AE colour?
No seer found or able to be found. Yes, AE is color. Without color as a label, just being.
If that is all, and no INHERENT SEE-ER found . . . would anything that is suggested as the see-er be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?
Only thought and concept. Haha, amazing.
Is there a difference between the ‘black’ when eyes are closed and ‘colour’ when eyes are open or are they both simply the appearance of colour?
No difference at all!
Is there anything that is witnessing colour?
No thing and nobody witnessing color. Just is...


These questions are awesome. They are like a pin popping a balloon.

Thank you,

Lee

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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby forgetmenot » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:13 am

Hey Lee,
Thank you, thank you for the earlier guidance. I have been continuing breaking down daily activities into AE. The difference between the AE of thought (content) and actual AE is becoming clearer.
Here is a simple experiment to highlight the difference between actual experience and the *stories* thought tells about experience.

Look at some object/s in the room.
Hold up the ‘hand’ so the objects are now covered.

Notice that a thought may say there are objects hidden behind the hand.

Are there actually objects behind the hand?
Do the objects behind the hand appear in actual experience?
If not, are those ‘hidden’ objects actual experience, or are they just a *story* by definition?
Can anything ever be hidden and unknown?

However, is ‘frustration’ actually known?
No, frustration is not know, it is only a label and not AE. It is like considering 'I' as AE when it is only a label.
Great…yes! Keep breaking down everything into AE and soon the looking happens on its own…but you have to be consistent in the breaking down/looking.
Here is another way of stripping the layers of story away, until all that remains is the bare bones ie actual experience. For every thought that comes up, and to determine whether it is referring to actual experience or whether it is pure fantasy, replace the thought with “blahblahblah” and check whether what it was referring to remains.
Let me know how you go.
I tried this and started laughing. It is definitely effective. The blahblahblah shut down the fantasy. Doing these exercises makes everything we take seriously in life seem very trivial - haha.
Lol. Yes!
Can a 'see-er' ever be found in 'what is being seen' – AE colour?
No seer found or able to be found. Yes, AE is color. Without color as a label, just being.
Yep! Seeing and knowing are one and the same. Seeing of colour and seeing of seeing are one and the same = colour
If there is no "seeing"... how can there be anything "unseen"? How can experience appear just as it does if there is literally no se-er's? What are the implications when there is no witness to be found? No separable awareness of any kind??

I think you have got a good grasp on how thoughts work, but I will give you the following exercise anyway.

The following link is a 7 minute clip of a soccer game. If you prefer another sport…please feel free to find one to do this exercise with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy5pL-myDzw

1. Watch one minute with the sound turned OFF, watching ‘people’ messing about with a round thing on a field, up and down, up and down. Let it sink in, the whole experience.

2. Once the first minute is completed, now watch another whole minute with the commentary turned ON.

Notice the differences. Notice how the commentator (aka thought) offers lots of know-how, even advice, seems to feel as though they can influence somehow what is going on, as though one outcome is much preferred to the opposite outcome, the commentary may seem to heighten any supporter feelings which are there, and call for an identification with one team or other, and with the importance of the game itself.

3. Now turn the volume OFF AGAIN and just watch the action with NO audible commentary, the shapes moving around on the screen etc. Again notice all the differences in what is appearing as experience.

4. Now turn the volume ON again and ignore what you think you know thought is talking about, and just notice it as sound.

Let me know what you notice when you turn the sound on and off, and without thought, what is actually appearing/happening etc?

Is the commentary on the football game a necessity for the play to happen?

And in the same way: Is the inner narration of thought a necessity for the play of life to happen?


With love, Kay
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Re: Breaking the Addiction to a Separate Self

Postby Lee0101 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:05 pm

Hi Kay,

This was a good exercise. I did enjoy the soccer game, watched it a couple of times. Thank you.
Are there actually objects behind the hand?
No, just a story about an object behind the hand if any thought arises.
Do the objects behind the hand appear in actual experience?
No

I
f not, are those ‘hidden’ objects actual experience, or are they just a *story* by definition?
No, not AE, only a story.
Can anything ever be hidden and unknown?
No, only stories and fantasy are 'hidden' or 'unknown'.Stories and fantasy are unreal. Only AE is real, not the commentary.
Let me know what you notice when you turn the sound on and off, and without thought, what is actually appearing/happening etc?
Only sound is absent, AE of seeing remains.
Is the commentary on the football game a necessity for the play to happen?
No.
And in the same way: Is the inner narration of thought a necessity for the play of life to happen?
Absolutely NOT!!! haha. Life without commentary - how beautiful. Commentary can go on, but being free from the 'my', or 'should'. blahblahblah!!! hahahahaha


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