i dont know

[maheswari]

Maha is in imagination….there is an image in the mind…that can not be pointed out /touched by my finger…but it can be pointed out/touched in imagination
??

[Ilona]

Yes, like batman.
The character exist in imagination. Not in reality.
Maha is a character, with likes and dislikes, skills and talents, patterns of thinking and behavious. There is a story about maha, but it's all made up. :)
Can you see that?
Can maha choose what happens in the story?
What drives the story? How does it get created?

Take a look at these questions. Write what comes up.

[maheswari]

ok i dont know what i am saying here but this is what came up:

Maha touches the table so the table is present in the experience of maha
If maha wants to touch herself, where is the place where maha is located? there is no such place…
One might say that :” But maha is fundamentally different than a table…maha has awareness !”

But maha awareness is not all the time,when maha sleeps then wakes up she says I slept well although she was not aware….Something was aware but it is not maha cause maha was not aware during sleep

So something is aware and maha is present IN this something that is aware all the time

Maha is not really real…cause she is the product -dream or imagination of that something which is aware all the time

And since she is in the dream of that something who is continuously aware…she definitely has no choice at all in creating her story

When we dream do the characters we dream off have choice in their story? Off course no

also the dreamer (the something who is aware all the time) has no choice in choosing his dreams, they just appear

So the something who is aware all the time also does not choose his dreams…he does not deliberately create maha story…maha story just happens…

am i talking non sense? lollll

[Ilona]

Good good.

One might say that :” But maha is fundamentally different than a table…maha has awareness !”

Is it true? Is it maha that has awareness?
Investigate here.
Does awareness need maha to be aware?
Does batman have awareness?
How about a cat or dog?
Where is awareness located? ( listen to a distant sound, where is it heard? )

Keep digging.

[maheswari]

awareness does not need maha to be aware…

Awareness can not be located…it is all pervading

When I listen to a sound …i hear it in me....

but the sound does not need me to be heard…it is heard in awareness… and by awareness…

[maheswari]

dear Ilona
thank u so much for your time ,effort and patience....
i am so grateful :)

[Ilona]

When I listen to a sound …i hear it in me....

What is this me here? Take a closer look. Close your eyes and listen.

[maheswari]

awarness is hearing the sound

[maheswari]

maha is the obstacle that stands in the way

[Ilona]

There is no maha in reality at all.
Take a look at what is obvious, what is here now, don't look for what isn't, notice what is.
Notice that there is no one noticing, but noticing happening.

[maheswari]

true there is only hearing....
than much later we interpret it falsely as i am hearing...

[Ilona]

Is it we that interpret it or labelling process happens on automatic?
Watch as it happens. Just sit with closed eyes and see how sensations and labels are connected.

[maheswari]

labelling and judging is automatic

[Ilona]

Is there any function that maha is needed?
Is there a doer?

[maheswari]

no there is no function at all where maha is needed
maha is not doing anything...all is happening by itself