mirage like self

[Sarah7]

Morning Ramses

I can reveal from the above that what you are pointing to here is clearly seen. That before thoughts adds to the experiencing of sensations, there is no resistance at all, no inherent fear, no problem, no worry no anything threatened, no pain, no unpleasantness.

So there is a point where noticing happens before thought comes in yes?

Can you see that what you essentially are already allows that so fully without the slightest resistance to it?

No, I can’t see what I essentially are already.

When I ask you to look does noticing happen? And if so can you see what notices?
If you can’t see what it is or where it is, is noticing still happening regardless?

I don’t know how to look as new born baby. It is impossible to experience it.

That’s just about noticing before thought. Ok.
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Pharao]

Morging Sarah,

So there is a point where noticing happens before thought comes in yes?

When I am sitting quite and relaxed, there is a point where noticing happens before thought comes in. This point is more clearly seen in the morning right after waking up.

When I ask you to look does noticing happen? And if so can you see what notices?

After a relaxation period of time, noticing happens but without noticing what notices.

If you can’t see what it is or where it is, is noticing still happening regardless?

Noticing is still happening regardless if I can’t see what it is or where it is.

Au revoir,
Ramses

[Sarah7]

Hey

When I am sitting quite and relaxed, there is a point where noticing happens before thought comes in. This point is more clearly seen in the morning right after waking up.

And what does this noticing feel like? For instance is it spacious, quiet, etc?
Does it judge, have opinions, prefer one thing over another?
And is it ever not there? Have a look through your day and see if it’s ever not there or accessible?
Get curious about that which notices. Explore.
Just as a side question Ramses, do you make art, climb, make music or anything like that?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Pharao]

Hi Sarah,

And what does this noticing feel like? For instance is it spacious, quiet, etc?

Usually when I'm not in a hurry, just after waking up, I sit down instead of lying on my bed, waiting for my breathing to flatten and trying not to move. After a few minutes there is this calmness without disturbance or distortion. Suddenly a thought appears and says you could stay so forever. Another thought follows and suggests I have to get up and go to work otherwise problems are preprogrammed. Finally, I get up disappointed and go to work.

Does it judge, have opinions, prefer one thing over another?

No, there is no judgement, opinions or any preference of one thing over another.

And is it ever not there? Have a look through your day and see if it’s ever not there or accessible?

It is seemingly there but elusive, cause of thoughts that supersedes it. What are the benefits of experiencing it and knowing that the next thought will suppressed it?

Get curious about that which notices. Explore.

When exploring little deeper, there is no thing to be found which notices.

Just as a side question Ramses, do you make art, climb, make music or anything like that?

Unfortunately, I am none of this rather I'm just a dreamer.

Au revoir,
Ramses

[Sarah7]

Hey

No, there is no judgement, opinions or any preference of one thing over another.

Lovely noticing.

It is seemingly there but elusive, cause of thoughts that supersedes it. What are the benefits of experiencing it and knowing that the next thought will suppressed it?

Think of a radio.
Does the radio care what song comes out of it? Does it prefer one kind to another? Does it reject any sounds?
Does the song understand what it is in? Or part of?
Or the ocean........can a wave know the ocean? Does it make any difference what so ever to the ocean if the wave rejects the ocean it is in?

When exploring little deeper, there is no thing to be found which notices.

Excellent.

Unfortunately, I am none of this rather I'm just a dreamer.

And is this dreaming made up of thoughts wanting something, anything, other than what is? How often do you notice this?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Pharao]

Hey Sarah,

Think of a radio.
Does the radio care what song comes out of it? Does it prefer one kind to another? Does it reject any sounds?
Does the song understand what it is in? Or part of?
Or the ocean........can a wave know the ocean? Does it make any difference what so ever to the ocean if the wave rejects the ocean it is in?

Oh I see it now, the experiencing doesn’t care about the kind of experiences that are happening.

And is this dreaming made up of thoughts wanting something, anything, other than what is? How often do you notice this?

There is often a reminder of being lost in day dreaming (thoughts) that points out that I am not on track. The Reminder appear usually after a short time after the happening. But being lost in emotions that takes often days to be recognized.

Can you please explain the difference between mood, feeling and emotion?

Au revoir,
Ramses

[Sarah7]

Morning Ramses

Oh I see it now, the experiencing doesn’t care about the kind of experiences that are happening.

Ok so how do you experience this?

There is often a reminder of being lost in day dreaming (thoughts) that points out that I am not on track. The Reminder appear usually after a short time after the happening. But being lost in emotions that takes often days to be recognized.

What is wrong with being lost in daydream? Anything?
What says ‘I’m not on track’? On track to what or where?
Did you ‘remind’ on purpose? Or ‘get lost’ on purpose? Or did these experiences just happen?
Who or what is steering the boat Ramses? Anyone?
So the radio is playing a song about being lost in thought............does the radio care? Or is it the song itself that’s bothered?

Can you please explain the difference between mood, feeling and emotion?

Not much really. Is there a reason why you are asking?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Pharao]

Hey Sarah,

Ok so how do you experience this?

There are still worries about a lot of things in daily life, especially when things are not going the way we want them to be.

What is wrong with being lost in daydream? Anything?

Nothing is wrong with being lost in daydream, only Thoughts says that something is wrong with them.

What says ‘I’m not on track’? On track to what or where?

Only thought says ‘I’m not on track’. On track to liberation or to paradise.

Did you ‘remind’ on purpose? Or ‘get lost’ on purpose? Or did these experiences just happen?

The reminding just pops up without purpose. The idea of ‘get lost’ on purpose just happen without cause.

Who or what is steering the boat Ramses? Anyone?

I guess the brain is steering the boat.

So the radio is playing a song about being lost in thought............does the radio care? Or is it the song itself that’s bothered?

No the radio doesn’t care about the played song. It is the song itself that’s bothered.

Au revoir,
Ramses

[Sarah7]

Morning Ramses

There are still worries about a lot of things in daily life, especially when things are not going the way we want them to be.

Still? Do you expect them to go? Don’t they also pop up without purpose? Are they also a song?

Nothing is wrong with being lost in daydream, only Thoughts says that something is wrong with them.

So every time thought says something is wrong, or this isn’t it, look. Is the thought correct?

Only thought says ‘I’m not on track’. On track to liberation or to paradise.

What is liberation or paradise? What happens there? Why is this not it? How will you know you are there?

The reminding just pops up without purpose. The idea of ‘get lost’ on purpose just happen without cause.

Good.

I guess the brain is steering the boat.

Don’t guess. Look, watch and notice. What IS experienced, not what is thought to be experienced. Start with what you believe, think whatever is controlled by you. Anything? Dig. This isn’t about passing a test by saying the right things, so really dig. Something brought you here. What isn’t right? What don’t you have? What isn’t happening?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Pharao]

Morning Sarah,

Still? Do you expect them to go? Don’t they also pop up without purpose? Are they also a song?

The surrender to whatever happens is not yet there. A thought pops up and asks will this happen one day?

So every time thought says something is wrong, or this isn’t it, look. Is the thought correct?

The content of thought is not real

What is liberation or paradise? What happens there? Why is this not it? How will you know you are there?

Liberation or paradise are just labels that point to some illusory states that we could not check.

Don’t guess. Look, watch and notice. What IS experienced, not what is thought to be experienced. Start with what you believe, think whatever is controlled by you. Anything? Dig. This isn’t about passing a test by saying the right things, so really dig. Something brought you here. What isn’t right? What don’t you have? What isn’t happening?

I don’t really know who is steering the boat. I can only notice that all things just happen. What brought me here is the search for the meaning of life, the question of why human beings are suffering etc. This generated the sense of unhappiness. Why I am not happy with what I possess. There is always this question mark?

Au revoir,
Ramses

[Sarah7]

Hi Ramses

The surrender to whatever happens is not yet there.

Do you, can you surrender?

The content of thought is not real

So how come there is suffering over others? So every time thought says something is wrong, or this isn’t it, or this shouldn’t be happening, look.

Liberation or paradise are just labels that point to some illusory states that we could not check.

Are you sure there are no expectations here?

I don’t really know who is steering the boat. I can only notice that all things just happen. What brought me here is the search for the meaning of life, the question of why human beings are suffering etc. This generated the sense of unhappiness. Why I am not happy with what I possess. There is always this question mark?

Don’t know is good! What can you know for certain?
Delve into this suffering through others. Where is this you that is suffering over others. Where is the resistance to what is? Use aspects of the fear exercise. Delve, explore, get curious.
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Pharao]

Hi Sarah,

Do you, can you surrender?

I hope I could, but it could happen or not.

So how come there is suffering over others?

Suffering is being lost in the content of thought again.

Are you sure there are no expectations here?

Expectations does exist, unless the illusory self is seen through.

What can you know for certain?

I can know nothing for certain, I can only have beliefs.

Where is this you that is suffering over others

I can’t find one. Unfortunately the pain sensed in the body is real and create the suffering anyway though the thoughts are telling stories. how can this be explained?

Where is the resistance to what is?

It is field in the body as an emotion.

Au revoir,
Ramses

[Sarah7]

Morning Ramses

I hope I could, but it could happen or not.

Well try it. Does it work?

Suffering is being lost in the content of thought again.

Well spotted. And what happens when this is sat with? Anything?

Expectations does exist, unless the illusory self is seen through.

What are they please. Lay them all out.

I can know nothing for certain, I can only have beliefs.

And as you stated earlier beliefs are thought.....yes?

I can’t find one. Unfortunately the pain sensed in the body is real and create the suffering anyway though the thoughts are telling stories. how can this be explained?

Keep looking as often as remembering happens. Sit with and be with this. Explore. Is it story explaining again? If so does that mean the explanation is true?

If there is no you where is other?

It is field in the body as an emotion.

Pick it apart. What is it made up of?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[Pharao]

Morning Sarah,

Well try it. Does it work?

Just hopping something to happen, doesn’t make it happen. It doesn’t work.

Well spotted. And what happens when this is sat with? Anything?

Could you please explain in details, what do you mean with that question?

What are they please. Lay them all out.

The expectations that are still present are the wish to be able to surrender to what is happening in the now and not oscillate between what could and should be.

And as you stated earlier beliefs are thought.....yes?

Yes beliefs are just thought.

Keep looking as often as remembering happens. Sit with and be with this. Explore. Is it story explaining again? If so does that mean the explanation is true?

If pain is present, all the attention flow to the pain and the steam of thoughts follow. The remembering of the last time where this pain was not present appear and the wish that this pain must asap disappear happen. I know all the scenario is a story, but it does not help to avoid the experiencing of that tragedy.

If there is no you where is other?

The perception tells me that other are around me. I perceive them as existent.

Pick it apart. What is it made up of?

The emotion is a body sensation that thought labels as so and so.

Au revoir,
Ramses

[Sarah7]

Hey
I’ve given you a bit to look at here, so take your time. :)

Could you please explain in details, what do you mean with that question?

You said suffering is being lost in the content of thought again. I asked what happens to the suffering when it is sat with, without doing anything other than being aware of what is there, e.g. resistance etc. and looked at. Does that make sense now?

The expectations that are still present are the wish to be able to surrender to what is happening in the now and not oscillate between what could and should be.

Ok good.

If pain is present, all the attention flow to the pain and the steam of thoughts follow. The remembering of the last time where this pain was not present appear and the wish that this pain must asap disappear happen. I know all the scenario is a story, but it does not help to avoid the experiencing of that tragedy.

So you want to stop avoiding? Or avoid certain experiences completely?

The perception tells me that other are around me. I perceive them as existent.

Ok lets look at sensory experience. Seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling and tasting. We are going to start with seeing.
Gaze at an object. Turn up that inner magnifying glass to observe what's happening in direct experience. In seeing, what is being experienced? What is happening when "seeing" is happening? What is doing the seeing? What is being seen? What does "seeing" consists of? Describe the actual, direct experience of seeing. Do you first perceive the object using some other sense, and then see it later? Can you find a dividing line between the object and the seeing of it? Or are the object and the seeing of it inseparable? Is there an entity called "you" experiencing the seeing? Can you find a dividing line between "you" and seeing? Is it an accurate description of direct experience? Are there really three entities there in direct experience, an "I" and seer and an object? Or is there only seeing? What do you see about the thought, "I'm seeing that object"?

Try it with various sights e.g. out of the window at a distant view. See if you can find a way to separate the object from the seeing and the seeing from the seer. Where does one start and the other end? How many senses are there here - 1 or more?
Hugs Sarah xxx