The Gate

Hi Dee!
No need for apologies. Hope you are fine.
Things unfold as they unfold and I am glad there was some mind blowing :)

Yes, reality seems to be layered and confusing when thinking about it.
What we can know for sure and what we are pointing here to - is just our direct experience here and now.
And we say there is no separate entity, no self, no me, you, just this what is, which happens to none. Just life, awareness (not Dee’s awareness), belonging to none, with everything included; Also Dee character and his life story.

Now when you look again into this what is right here - is there you in any shape or form?
Is there a thinker behind the thoughts?
Is there a controller of the life?
Look and try to describe with your words what is seen.

Thank you

Now when you look again into this what is right here - is there YOU in any shape or form?

When you use the word “YOU” I am assuming you are talking about awareness, Not Dee. In that context awareness is separate from the body, mind and ego thoughts. So there is no shape or form. Awareness is not good or bad, right or wrong, happy or sad.

Is there a thinker behind the thoughts?

The mind thinks, ponders, and remembers. For example if you asked Dee what happened yesterday, Dee’s mind would think back to yesterday and relay what happened. Or is that an illusion? If I really can only observe what is NOW, I don’t really know the answer to that question.

[ Is there a controller of the life?/quote]
I don’t know. There are decisions and choices made:
The choice may be which job to take, which coat to wear, how long to wait for a friend to show. Are they really choices or is that an illusion too?

I am not sure of anything right now.
I am very confused.

D

Hi Dee,

Confusion is also ok, especially because there is none to be confused.
Just take a proper look - there are just lots of thoughts coming and going in the awareness.
Notice how they are triggering each other. But there is also a space between them - that is what is called awareness.

When you use the word “YOU” I am assuming you are talking about awareness, Not Dee. In that context awareness is separate from the body, mind and ego thoughts. So there is no shape or form. Awareness is not good or bad, right or wrong, happy or sad.

When I say You, I mean belief in some separate entity, something real behind that linguistic label, thinking and controlling life. Body, mind, thoughts – all exist inside the awareness. Can anything be separate from awareness?

„Is there a thinker behind the thoughts?“
The mind thinks, ponders, and remembers. For example if you asked Dee what happened yesterday, Dee’s mind would think back to yesterday and relay what happened. Or is that an illusion? If I really can only observe what is NOW, I don’t really know the answer to that question.

Yes, everything always happens now. Observation is now. Thoughts about past or future are happening now. You can tell what happened before in Dee’s story as you can tell what happened in some watched movie. But if there are more characters involved their thoughts will be more or less different about the same event. Your thoughts also will be different when remembering in different moods; different details may show up and so on...See? Just thoughts are really happening right now, but their content doesn’t have to be taken for the truth!

There are decisions and choices made:
The choice may be which job to take, which coat to wear, how long to wait for a friend to show. Are they really choices or is that an illusion too?

It appears to be a choices and decisions. But it is not you making them. They happen as a part of a bigger play of life, of cause and effect. Can you think and do whatever you want? Can you want whatever you want? :)

It is good to look into this effortless, connected life flow when going outside, into the nature. Try it. Watch also the breathing how it is happening, naturally.

Stay well!

Hi Eloratea

I have come to the conclusion that I think there is a serious lack of communication going on here. I read every word you wrote in the last few posts and realized I had my own definition of a word you used, which I do not think is your definition. I need more clarification on some of your statements.

What we can know for sure and what we are pointing here to - is just our direct experience here and now

Who’s direct experience? Can you define this "OUR" further.

And we say there is no separate entity, no self, no me, you, just this what is, which happens to none. Just life, awareness (not Dee’s awareness), belonging to none, with everything included; Also Dee character and his life story.

Who is we? Definitions please of self, me, you,

Now when you look again into this what is right here - is there you in any shape or form?
When I say You, I mean belief in some separate entity, something real behind that linguistic label, thinking and controlling life. Body, mind, thoughts – all exist inside the awareness. Can anything be separate from awareness?

What do you mean by the bolded sentence? You explained that your definition of awareness is the space between thoughts., is there more to your definition? Does awareness only observe in your definition?

It appears to be a choices and decisions. But it is not YOU making them. They happen as a part of a bigger play of life, of cause and effect. Can you think and do whatever you want? Can you want whatever you want? :)

Are you saying here, the Ego,mind,body (Dee) is not making them? Again I do not understand the question Who can think and do whatever you want?

I feel as though I am trying to understand someone who speaks a completely different language, this is where my confusion comes in. A few posts back I used other words to clarify the different ways I, You, Me can be used in the English language. It is the same as me telling you; I am holding up a finger, if I don’t tell you what finger I am holding up you can not possibly know what I mean. If I say to you I am holding up my middle finger, that is considered an insult. If I say I am holding up my index finger, you would probably think to look up.
I don’t even understand what your train of thought is.

There is some "part of me" (label for lack of any other way to explain) I am aware of , whether it be a soul, higher self, higher mind. God force etc. that drives to advance, discover, serve a divine purpose. This part of me and I call it me, because it is the part of me who trusts, loves, moves through fear. What or who it, is, or even how to refer to it in language is unknown but from the depth of my being there is something that guides the ego, body me. Dee’s body, mind, ego is all illusion, a holographic illusion we get lost in, a story we get lost in. An (ego) story that can, if we let it, bring us suffering and despair. But if Dee's body mind is illusion what is there to guide? Is this part who trusts, loves, guides and intuition all part of Dee's story? Is there a part of Dee that observes the ego and is still part of the illusion? What is it that is driving me to see through the illusion? Is this awareness?

If you can explain to me how you look at the parts of this structure and name them, so we can speak on the same terms I think this will help. It is only labeling them for comprehension, just like a finger is part of the hand just because I call it a finger does not mean it is not a part of the whole.

Thanks
D

Hi Dee,

Let’s get back to the basics and to the point of this communication.

This is looking into the direct experience, into what is actually happening right now. “Your” experience if you want it that way, of course.

I say there are no you, nowhere to be found in the experience, in reality!
Soul, higher self, ego… whatever- are just thoughts, concepts.
Body is real. Yes, might be just holographic projects, but still it is perceived here and now as all the objects you might be seeing right now, like table, monitor…
Thoughts are real, they are happening also right now. Just their content might not be real.
So in this moment we can say, breathing is happening, thinking is happening, looking is happening…but there is no subject doing it.
You get what we mean by real in this process of direct pointing?
Concepts and beliefs are not regarded as real.

So, there is life or awareness in which all this is happening what is happening right now. It is also just a word and all words are only pointers, but if you look (and not think) there will be an understanding.

So look and tell me is there you and how and where in reality?

Hi Eloratea

Body is real

I say there are no you

This is what I was talking about in my last post. My Body, in the english language, is described as(I, You, me etc) This makes no sense to me, What exactly is "you" refering to? It sounds like you are contradicting yourself, what are you talking about here?

So in this moment we can say, breathing is happening, thinking is happening, looking is happening…but there is no subject doing it.

What about Body?

Body is real

So in this moment we can say, breathing is happening, thinking is happening, looking is happening…but there is no subject doing it.
You get what we mean by real in this process of direct pointing?

Right now I can see my dog, hear my dog, think about my dog, and I am breathing. My Dog is sitting on my lap (Body). Now are you saying my body is not feeling my dog,my body is not breathing, my eyes are not seeing, my ears are not hearing, my mind is not thinking of my dog or My mind is not aware of the fact that this statement is questioning the bodies functions?
D

There is body functioning.
But where are you? In the body, outside of it or you are the body?
What makes the dog „your“ dog?

Hi Eloratea

What makes the dog „your“ dog?

When I stated “MY” dog, My is just a label, just as if I called her Spot. It was only used for the purpose of communicating to you.

But where are you? In the body, outside of it or you are the body?

You, I, Me, Dee etc are all labels.
You I Me Dee is also a label for the body. I explained this in detail in an earlier post when I gave you definitions in detail.

How about I tell you what I think is real. ( Your previous definition of Real)
My Body is real
My feelings like headache pain is real
My thoughts are real but the contents of the thoughts are just a story.


My Story, the story of the past and all interpretations of the present are not real. My story is like a dream, I experience it. My story is not like a movie because you do not experience a movie. Example you can not feel the headache pain of a character in a movie like you can in life’s experience.

The only thing which I feel I have some resistance to in this exercise, is that choices are made and this confuses me. Let me explain.

Right now I(label) have a choice to stop typing this, or to keep typing this. If I(label) stopped typing this then I(label) would have the choice to get up or to remain seated. I(label) understand these choices come about as thoughts, choices are nothing but multiple thoughts and once the thoughts of my choices come about whom or what makes the choice? At this point I(label) think the mind makes the choice. But is the point to this really that, there is no Self that thinks the thoughts of choice in the first place? Is this the illusion of Free Will? Dee, I, me, self none of them control anything, these are labels used in communication, which do nothing but create an illusion of self.
It seems the language was created in a way to trap us in this illusion that we are in control.

If the contents of the thoughts are just there, and I (label) did not create or think them, then why would I(label) even identify with them? Who exactly is identifying with them if there is no I?
It seems the very use of the word I in the paragraphs above reinforces the illusion. This language thing is driving me crazy. (that’s why I insert label for my own clarity)

D

Ok, you see there are just labels.
Yes, language perpetuates the ilusion of self. Mybe upon many people seeing this there will be quite new language. But for now it is ok to use it as it is; knowing more and more deeply what is really behind.

It seems the very use of the word I in the paragraphs above reinforces the illusion. This language thing is driving me crazy. (that’s why I insert label for my own clarity)

:) And it is also just a thought. No one there to be driven crazy.
Life seems to be crazy. Why not relax a bit and surrender to life, to what is.
Then write what comes up.

Best to you (and to Spot :)

Hi Eloratea
I see you are RED now. Congratulations! Another chapter in Eloratea's story :)

Why not relax a bit and surrender to life, to what is.
Then write what comes up

I have surrendered to life and have noticed how thoughts come and go. After I wrote my last post, life was lighter, and that is HUGE.
I am representing myself over a foreclosure case. The fearful thoughts that were coming up in the past were numerous, as I am sure you can imagine. (Dee’s story does not have a law degree)
On Monday, I am to go in front of a judge and he will decide whether Dee and Spot can stay in this home or not. This seeing of thoughts that come up, thoughts that are not true, content that is not real and not worth getting all entangled has come in perfect time. Whatever happens, happens on Monday, there is no need in suffering over what is not in the NOW moment, for that suffering is just mind chatter, not real.
I am not sure if I am all the way through the gate. I find that I still find thoughts coming up and notice there is an instant and automatic emotional response, but this has been rare.
Is this realization increased over time? Or is it an Ah Ha moment which changes the relationship with thought immediately upon seeing?

Thanks for all your help.
Your time has made such a difference in my life!!

Love Dee

Dear Dee,

It seems that we have here some real change!
Sure, things unfold further after the gate and gate encounter is different and felt with different intensity for everyone; so that is not a criterion.
But we have here some questions to test better where you at and if there are still some issues to be resolved.

So I ask you to take your time, to look deeply into experience and to answer (in length :) when ready:

1. Do you exist, in any shape or form? Was there you ever?
2. What is separate self and how it operates?
3. What made you realize its illusion and how would you explain it to someone who never heard about it?


I am really sorry for that foreclosure case tomorrow and wish you the best!
Much love