Ok, great! Do you want to have a go at the 6 questions below? After this we can add you to the LU Facebook groups if you like - there are many great people there. It can be helpful to read certain posts or discuss questions and doubts.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Please give examples from recent experience.
6) Anything to add?
Kind regards,
Alex
I would like to offer my help for people
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Alex,
Ok, I'll first go and answer to the 6 questions again (I did it last night, saved it after I had answered the 3rd question, but now I can't find it.....) Anyway,
1) No, there is no and there has never been a separate entity 'I', 'me', 'self' in any form or shape. It only "exists" as a belief, an illusion, as far as illusions can exist. Thoughts can.
2) The illusion of separate self is a bunch of thoughts about a self image which was made up from learning through our parents and society, through language, comparison, assumptions, through experiences with other human beings, who were seen as persons, too. It is the unquestioned core belief that "I am a person" with special adjectives, which isn't true. It started when I started to talk because language is the barrier and the bridge either to get locked into the mind setting or getting pointed backwards towards truth. And believing without questioning whether I am really this appearance called a person is like living in a realm of thoughts without noticing. The whole identity looked like has moved in this dimension of thoughts/mind.
3) It feels like living in a box, sometimes I called it like "living" in a prison, tide, contracted, fearful, as a victim of them.
The difference is now to be able to see clearly; which means to see thoughts as thoughts, feelings as feelings which can appear in different "tastes". Some seem to be sticky and bad others seem to be joyful and pleasant, but this is also depending on the interpretation of the mind. And to be able to see gives me freedom, fun, gets me wonder how one single core belief creates this "game of life" and seen through feels like new born, like a restart.
4) The last bit which pushed me over, was, when I looked again for this 'I' and couldn't find that this 'I' had been a reference point which had vanished when I was looking again, like a vey long stored memory which had vanished immediately by looking. That felt like space but also the silly question arose where to hold on to now? As if this unquestioned 'I' had given a kind of hold. And to discover that this was only a belief where 'I' got 'my' hold from was quite funny and I started to laugh when I saw through this trick of the mind.
5) Decision, intention, free will, choice and control are all illusions, labels by the mind. There is no one to make decisions, has intentions, free will, choice and control, it only seems as if. All what's happening is happening by life itself and everything is an expression of life. I am not responsible at all because 'I' don't exist. It's all one movement and how it works I don't know. I only know that it works perfectly.
6) Nothing to add.
Kind regards,
Susanne
Ok, I'll first go and answer to the 6 questions again (I did it last night, saved it after I had answered the 3rd question, but now I can't find it.....) Anyway,
1) No, there is no and there has never been a separate entity 'I', 'me', 'self' in any form or shape. It only "exists" as a belief, an illusion, as far as illusions can exist. Thoughts can.
2) The illusion of separate self is a bunch of thoughts about a self image which was made up from learning through our parents and society, through language, comparison, assumptions, through experiences with other human beings, who were seen as persons, too. It is the unquestioned core belief that "I am a person" with special adjectives, which isn't true. It started when I started to talk because language is the barrier and the bridge either to get locked into the mind setting or getting pointed backwards towards truth. And believing without questioning whether I am really this appearance called a person is like living in a realm of thoughts without noticing. The whole identity looked like has moved in this dimension of thoughts/mind.
3) It feels like living in a box, sometimes I called it like "living" in a prison, tide, contracted, fearful, as a victim of them.
The difference is now to be able to see clearly; which means to see thoughts as thoughts, feelings as feelings which can appear in different "tastes". Some seem to be sticky and bad others seem to be joyful and pleasant, but this is also depending on the interpretation of the mind. And to be able to see gives me freedom, fun, gets me wonder how one single core belief creates this "game of life" and seen through feels like new born, like a restart.
4) The last bit which pushed me over, was, when I looked again for this 'I' and couldn't find that this 'I' had been a reference point which had vanished when I was looking again, like a vey long stored memory which had vanished immediately by looking. That felt like space but also the silly question arose where to hold on to now? As if this unquestioned 'I' had given a kind of hold. And to discover that this was only a belief where 'I' got 'my' hold from was quite funny and I started to laugh when I saw through this trick of the mind.
5) Decision, intention, free will, choice and control are all illusions, labels by the mind. There is no one to make decisions, has intentions, free will, choice and control, it only seems as if. All what's happening is happening by life itself and everything is an expression of life. I am not responsible at all because 'I' don't exist. It's all one movement and how it works I don't know. I only know that it works perfectly.
6) Nothing to add.
Kind regards,
Susanne
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Susanne,
Thank you for your beautiful answers!
Do you have a Facebook account?
If so, could you please send me a private message on this forum with your FB name so we can invite you to the LU groups on FB?
Kind regards,
Alex
Thank you for your beautiful answers!
Do you have a Facebook account?
If so, could you please send me a private message on this forum with your FB name so we can invite you to the LU groups on FB?
Kind regards,
Alex
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Alex,
yes I do have a FB account with the name "Susanne Strasser" ,which I rarely used but to get into something new is not a bad thing.
On the other hand I also would like to do "face to face" here in Australia if it's possible? I am ready to do both as I am retired and love to be with like minded people.
Kind regards,
Susanne
yes I do have a FB account with the name "Susanne Strasser" ,which I rarely used but to get into something new is not a bad thing.
On the other hand I also would like to do "face to face" here in Australia if it's possible? I am ready to do both as I am retired and love to be with like minded people.
Kind regards,
Susanne
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Thank you!
I have sent you a friend request.
There will also be a LU admin contacting you and add you to the LU FB group(s).
I think there is a woman in Byron Bay doing face to face meetings... have a look at http://liberationunleashed.com/face-to-face/
Kind regards
Alex
I have sent you a friend request.
There will also be a LU admin contacting you and add you to the LU FB group(s).
I think there is a woman in Byron Bay doing face to face meetings... have a look at http://liberationunleashed.com/face-to-face/
Kind regards
Alex
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Alex,
I have contacted Bonnie in Byron Bay which is 4 hours drive away where I am.
I don't know if you understood me right, I would like to offer face to face from here/Toowoomba. Is this possible, too?
Kind regards,
Susanne
I have contacted Bonnie in Byron Bay which is 4 hours drive away where I am.
I don't know if you understood me right, I would like to offer face to face from here/Toowoomba. Is this possible, too?
Kind regards,
Susanne
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Susanne,
I think that should be possible. Maybe contact Ilona and have a chat with her - I think you are friends on FB anyway.
I guess its up to her or another admin to have you listed in the LU website offering "face to face" meetings...
Kind regards
Alex
I think that should be possible. Maybe contact Ilona and have a chat with her - I think you are friends on FB anyway.
I guess its up to her or another admin to have you listed in the LU website offering "face to face" meetings...
Kind regards
Alex
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Alex,
like I mentioned before I am not yet very familiar with FB and forums in general.
So could you please tell me how long it takes to add me to the LU group on FB?
I had a chat with Ilona on FB about face-to face offer here in Australia. She mentioned that the LU admin has to decide about putting me on this webpage!?
Could you please give me further information about what to do next?
Thanks,
Susanne
like I mentioned before I am not yet very familiar with FB and forums in general.
So could you please tell me how long it takes to add me to the LU group on FB?
I had a chat with Ilona on FB about face-to face offer here in Australia. She mentioned that the LU admin has to decide about putting me on this webpage!?
Could you please give me further information about what to do next?
Thanks,
Susanne
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Susanne,
Did you have a look in you private messages in this forum? There should be a message from an admin with further instructions...
Let me know if this is the case, if not I will contact them again...
Regards
Alex
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Did you have a look in you private messages in this forum? There should be a message from an admin with further instructions...
Let me know if this is the case, if not I will contact them again...
Regards
Alex
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Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Alex,
yes I did check my private messages, but nothing is in there.
Thank you for contact the admin again.
Kind regards,
Susanne
yes I did check my private messages, but nothing is in there.
Thank you for contact the admin again.
Kind regards,
Susanne
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Sorry, Alex, I just checked my private messages again and there it was......
It's all good,
with love,
Susanne
It's all good,
with love,
Susanne
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Ok, great.
Hope it works :-)
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Hope it works :-)
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Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Alex,
would it be possible that we both do a little aftercare?
During last week the feeling of sadness popped up very strongly again and "I" am wondering if there is a message in it. I know it sounds like the mind wants to translate something but would it be good to investigate?
Thank you for your reply,
Susanne
would it be possible that we both do a little aftercare?
During last week the feeling of sadness popped up very strongly again and "I" am wondering if there is a message in it. I know it sounds like the mind wants to translate something but would it be good to investigate?
Thank you for your reply,
Susanne
Re: I would like to offer my help for people
Hi Susanne,
Yes, sure, that is a good idea.
I have started a new thread in the Unleashed part of this forum.
Here is the link, please answer there:
http://liberationunleashed.com/nation/v ... f=6&t=4124
Kind regards,
Alex
Yes, sure, that is a good idea.
I have started a new thread in the Unleashed part of this forum.
Here is the link, please answer there:
http://liberationunleashed.com/nation/v ... f=6&t=4124
Kind regards,
Alex
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