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Re: Christine's thread

Postby Bill » Fri May 01, 2015 5:34 pm

No. There's a feeling of self but none can be found. This makes me want to cry, which btw, is what has been coming up lately.

And as I was contemplating and responding last night the thought "well, now you can let go of the burden of being you" also came up.

Why am I crying? I never thought I was a burden.
Many have also had this experience of a deep aloneness when its seen there is no real self.
There's also been some who have actually laughed for days when it was really seen that
what they had taken so very seriously all these years was just a puff of smoke.

Is there anything you're still seeking or searching for?
Every expectation gets in the way of simply seeing what is.
They are about the future... seeing what is cannot be found there.

Any more expectations floating around?

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Re: Christine's thread

Postby ChristineJ » Sat May 02, 2015 2:41 am

I'm sorry Bill. I've been checking all day but didn't think to see if there was a page 2 until just now.

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Re: Christine's thread

Postby ChristineJ » Sat May 02, 2015 2:57 am


Is there anything you're still seeking or searching for?
no. Haven't in a while.

Every expectation gets in the way of simply seeing what is.
They are about the future... seeing what is cannot be found there.
Any more expectations floating around?
No new ones. Even the expectations, there was no striving for. "Must do a,b,c"". No end goal "gotta get there". It either happens or it doesn't.

Again, I apologize. ( note: Look to see if there's another page)

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Re: Christine's thread

Postby Bill » Sat May 02, 2015 7:09 pm

Hi Christine,

Ok, now I would like to post the final questions we ask of all, and the answers that you have already given.
If there's anything more to add, or anything different, as this was about a week ago...let me know.
I will then ask the other guides to take a look at it and see if there's anything missing.

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1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No. Couldn't have been. Ever. what a racket. :)

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

It's funny. I see it, then I don't see it. Ebb and flow. Our experiences are stored in our memory banks and the building blocks for "who I am" is created and continuously reinforced. Self is the sum total of individual memories. Whatever experiences they are, I chimes in, claims it and makes it personal, makes it mine. It happened to me. Self is constructed out of the past. Memory says at the age of 1-1/2 yo old I knew that "I was a big girl"..so it starts very young. Our parents teach us our name, where our noses and ears are, teach us "my nose, my ears". Seeing that self is a story hasn't changed one thing except that the internal chatter has a few more moments of quiet. I have not experienced the relaxing I was expecting. Bummer. :)

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

Doesn't "feel" different. That may be because I lost the belief in time, past future, a while ago. ... Its never not now, never not this. But I didn't see that an "I" couldn't be anything other than a thought.


4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

It was a post I made in EN about forgiveness. I was laying down because of a migraine and thinking about the thread: "The accumulation of each of our experiences is uniquely our own.. our jumbled mix of memories of preferences, dislikes, of 'good and bad' experiences." Then I saw this is what the self is made of. Thoughts about...

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Heck if I know. I haven't really looked at decisions as they're happening, control, free will etc. If you want me to, let me know and I'll try to give it a go although past decisions to do so have failed. Which I guess is a real life example. I make a mental note to put forth effort or "to do" and despite my best intentions, it doesn't always happen or something else is done instead, My husband will ask why I did (or didn't) do or say something and I have no reasonable explanation. The body seems to be on automatic. Walking, scratching an itch, shampooing hair. "I" don't need to be there, for it to happen. A thought appears "need to do this" ..,like wash my windows. The next thing I know I'm scrubbing the house. (White house, green tree pollen) and the tools to cut tree limbs are laid out and ready. What am I responsible for? I still feel responsible for this life BUT since I saw through "time", I have been less worried about yesterday and tomorrow.


6) Anything to add?

I'm hoping that seeing this, self, will be an ongoing unraveling.

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Re: Christine's thread

Postby ChristineJ » Sat May 02, 2015 8:11 pm

Hey Bill. Just got back home. Am copying to phone and will post when done.

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Re: Christine's thread

Postby ChristineJ » Sat May 02, 2015 8:12 pm

Ah. Just read. Let me review

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Re: Christine's thread

Postby ChristineJ » Sat May 02, 2015 8:21 pm

No. Nothing to add. I'm really good with what is. Peaceful maybe., even with any ups and downs of thought or emotions. And thank you for your patience and time.

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Re: Christine's thread

Postby Bill » Sun May 03, 2015 1:19 am

Hi Christine,

Your answers are clear and thorough... I ran this by our other guides and they all confirm.
Congratulations! You'll soon be blue on the forum and a little more of the website has opened up to you.
Its been great pointing for you... I've seen this a few times where the seeing is not there and
then all of sudden the simplicity of this just hits you and then its very easy to see.

We have several groups on Facebook and you can also use those for learning about guiding
if that's something you want to consider and of course further discussion.

Check out this: http://liberationunleashed.com/nation/v ... ?f=6&t=696
There are some links and info to other sites associated with LU.

If there's any more questions, please ask.
I will leave this thread open for short while if you have any further questions
or if you want to make any more comments.
It will be moved to the archived section so look for it there.
It's been great working with you! Life goes on...

Namaste,
Bill

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Re: Christine's thread

Postby ChristineJ » Sun May 03, 2015 2:13 am

Hey Bill. As I said to Kevin, what gate? What a trip. I'm at a horse show right now, will check out other areas tomorrow. Sitting here, lookng, listening. Sigh. Thanks again.


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