The Gate

Ok. Let's make it clear. Do that concentrating on "me" feeling is similar to Ramana Maharshi method of concentrating on I-sense?

I vaguely remember saying something about staying focused on what I tell you to do instead of going off into distractions... :)

Really, read my instructions to the letter and report back with your results.

Then you will see that I did not instruct you to concentrate on the "me" feeling.

And no, this has nothing to do with Ramana Maharishi's methods. Nor Nisargadatta Maharaj's, who was actually the one who taught to focus on the sense "I am".

Stay focused and follow directions my friend. If you go off into distractions you'll never get there.

I didn't mean you instruct me to concentrate on the "me" feeling, though your pointing looked like R.Maharshi's method to me (If I recall it correctly Ramana as well taught to focus on the sense "I am").
Just made crystal clear it's not.
So, back on track

You're confused because you don't know how to look. You're running around with no direction, often going down the same path again and again. That is not going to work.

How to look?

Notice that you distracted yourself from the question I asked you. That's ok, but I suggest you stop it. :)

I wish i knew, how to do this:)

The question remains the same:

Notice this "me" feeling that is telling you that there is a "me". Now look one step further, at what that "me" feeling is pointing toward. What do you find?

As I've said I can't locate the ''me'' feeling.
Initially you asked to focus on 'me' feeling, which is like any other feelings, nevertheless, that differs from what have you asked latter about anything that references to my self. Please, be specific as much as possible.

The fact that you can't find the feeling is not all that important. You know it was there. That's enough. No need to bring it into clear focus. If you want, take anything that references to your self. A thought that start's with "I..." is just fine. The important part is that you look in the right place, which is the place that this feeling/thought/whatever is pointing toward.

This is a tricky one. What is references to myself I would say it's the sum of all emotions, feelings, sensations, thoughts and body. At what that all ''myself'' is pointing toward? Hmmm, at nothing, it just is.

Nasarat, I really like you. I can sense you're a good, honest person.

I won't get into your replies in detail. I will ignore anything that is irrelevant.

Let's get into this part:

This is a tricky one. What is references to myself I would say it's the sum of all emotions, feelings, sensations, thoughts and body. At what that all ''myself'' is pointing toward? Hmmm, at nothing, it just is.

You've made a huge step here.

As a side-note, really do set all the teachings of others aside. They will be distractions and I did a quick check on Ramana Maharishi and he got it wrong. I could tell you how and all of it, but it is so much easier if you see the truth that is already true.

You say that all "myself" is pointing at nothing. And that is true. But you haven't seen it yet.

Set everything aside. Reset. Refocus. Think about pigs flying by. Just do anything to distract you. Just for a moment.

Now, forget all that has been taught to you. And answer this question:

When you look at where you thought your self would be, what do you see?

I feel, as if I'm residing in the center of the head. By looking directly here, I can't see anything, apart sensantions of the body.

I feel, as if I'm residing in the center of the head. By looking directly here, I can't see anything, apart sensantions of the body.

You're probably talking about awareness/consciousness here. Something many "gurus" have mistaken as being the Self. It isn't. Whether it's self or Self, neither exist.

So you feel as if you're residing in the center of the head. Examine this thing that you call "I" in the center of the head. Describe it to me.

Nasarat, could you get to this please? It's best to keep things going.

Hi hansjager
It's been a very busy time, I'm sorry for the delay in updates.

Examine this thing that you call "I" in the center of the head. Describe it to me.

When asked, what can be seen directly in the center of the head I can only pinpoint to sensations and to the thoughts.
I know it's a short answer,but it all I see at the moment

Hi hansjager
It's been a very busy time, I'm sorry for the delay in updates.

Examine this thing that you call "I" in the center of the head. Describe it to me.

When asked, what can be seen directly in the center of the head I can only pinpoint to sensations and to the thoughts.
I know it's a short answer,but it all I see at the moment

So what you called the "I" in the center of the head, you really can't find upon examination? You can only pinpoint to sensations and to the thoughts.

Remember, what we're looking for is to see through the illusion that there is a separate entity called an "I", which is separate from everything else.

Keeping that in mind, is there any of the things that you've found so far that fits that description?

Btw, Nasarat, with you, I'd like to keep things going. Fast paced. I will respond as quickly as I can and I'd like you to do the same. I feel it's what you need. Keep moving, going through this fast.

No, I can't find any separate entity in the head. So, the feeling "it's me, who is looking and can't find "me" is still here. I hardly can describe it. Is it a belief or what? Would you mind we dig out here? p.s. Believe me, hansjager, I wish it would be much faster. Anyway, I"ll do my best. Thank you.

No, I can't find any separate entity in the head. So, the feeling "it's me, who is looking and can't find "me" is still here. I hardly can describe it. Is it a belief or what? Would you mind we dig out here? p.s. Believe me, hansjager, I wish it would be much faster. Anyway, I"ll do my best. Thank you.

Before we continue, please type out the definition of self, or "me", as I explained it to you. I need it to be utterly clear to you.

So type it out. What is the self, or "me"?

Do you mean there is no any separate "self"- It is a misperception?

Do you mean there is no any separate "self"- It is a misperception?

Don't turn it into a question to me. I will tell you when you are wrong. Go back to the original question and answer it.

Got ya). There is no separate self. It's a misperception, that it exists. There is no any separated entity inside, it's just a feeling, that it is.

Got ya). There is no separate self. It's a misperception, that it exists. There is no any separated entity inside, it's just a feeling, that it is.

Get more specific. It is no just a feeling. The way you phrase it, you say that "it", or self is just a feeling. It is not even that. It never existed.

The "just a feeling" is part of the misperception. It is not, nor ever has been the self.

There is indeed no separate entity inside. Or anywhere. It's like you look at it and it says to you "I'm you!".

But... I feel that you get this on an intellectual level to a certain extend. But you haven't seen it. You have to be willing to go all the way. And this willingness is easy, since it means going all the way into something that is already true. You just didn't look at it right.

So give me all you have. Just write down all that you can say about this. Then we'll move on, if neccesary.