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Re: Many thanks

Postby Lobster » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:16 am

Hi Vivi
How is that known and to whom is it known?
Common sense. To those with common sense.
What do you mean by being asleep and who will no longer be asleep?
A condition of unawareness. That which is awake.
What is words? What makes you say 'just words'
Words is what we use to communicate. The same thing that makes you ask questions.

many thanks
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Re: Many thanks

Postby dreamer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:30 am

Ok Lobster

I have seen enough of your answers now to know that you are speaking from beliefs, assumptions and thoughts.
Even when you talk about experience it is experience coloured by thought.

If you really want to awake, as you call it, you will have to look deeper than what currently seems to happen. Awakening is not a mental exercise. You will have to dare to look into what you THINK you know is real and true.

Larsie and I will, as your guides, tell you what to look at and how to do it. You will look and answer honestly from direct experience.

That will be the conditions from now on. Are you ready? Do you really want to wake up?

Tell us if you are ready for what can turn out to be a roller coaster ride.

Greetings Vivi

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Re: Many thanks

Postby Lobster » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:00 am

Ok Lobster

Tell us if you are ready for what can turn out to be a roller coaster ride.

Greetings Vivi
Ready when you are dreamer and Lars and any other guides . . .
Many thanks

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Re: Many thanks

Postby dreamer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:39 am

Good!

What do you imagine will be the difference in you daily life when you awake?

- be specific thank you and dig deep. Some hope, wish, imagination is behind that New Year Resolution and you got to find out what it is, if you do not already know. Putting up expectations is almost always a key to some of the realisations that happens.

- what is unsatisfying about being asleep?
- what do you hope will happen when awake?

Greetings Vivi

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Re: Many thanks

Postby Lobster » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:41 am

What do you imagine will be the difference in you daily life when you awake?
Less imagining.
be specific thank you and dig deep.
?
You want me to increase delusional fantasies? How deep is that?
I really have no way of knowing. Do you wish for a specific list of imaginings?
Some hope, wish, imagination is behind that New Year Resolution and you got to find out what it is, if you do not already know. Putting up expectations is almost always a key to some of the realisations that happens.
Perhaps. Some motivation is not based on expectation.
For example do you feel able to guide everyone?

Will a third guide be available?

Thanks Vivi for your attention
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Re: Many thanks

Postby dreamer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:56 am

Hi Lobster

Good....Less imagining

What else is the motivation behind the New Year Resolution?

If a third guide will appear if there is anyone available, quite busy at the moment, so maybe you will have to settle with the two you got :)

Greetings Vivi

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Re: Many thanks

Postby Lobster » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:54 am

HI dreamer,
Good....Less imagining
What is good or bad about it?
Why would you say that?
What else is the motivation behind the New Year Resolution?
Does everything require a motivation?

Many thanks for your precious time.
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Re: Many thanks

Postby dreamer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:42 am

The good thing is that something was found


How do you experience 'I' ?

Greetings Vivi

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Re: Many thanks

Postby Lobster » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:02 pm


How do you experience 'I' ?

Greetings Vivi
Hi Vivi,

What do you mean by I?

many thanks
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Re: Many thanks

Postby dreamer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:18 pm

What do you mean when you say I, me, mine, my?

Greetings Vivi

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Re: Many thanks

Postby Lobster » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:09 pm

What do you mean when you say I, me, mine, my?

Greetings Vivi
HI Vivi

It depends on the context. In the abstract sense that you seem to be implying, there is no I, me, mine or my without some object of attribution. If you mean something else please be specific.

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Re: Many thanks

Postby dreamer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:25 pm

Hi Lobster
It depends on the context. In the abstract sense that you seem to be implying, there is no I, me, mine or my without some object of attribution. If you mean something else please be specific.
Seems like you try to answer what you assume I want to hear? I don't want to hear anything about what you assume. I want to hear what you experience to KNOW.

So let's say there is no I, me, mine, my in the abstract sense. How do you specifically experience this in life?
In a previous answer you said nothing happens, when you read that 'I' does not exist. Is it your experience that there is no I?

What is your practical relation to 'I' in everyday life?
Is it e.g. your body, your computer, your family, your pain, your brain, your responsibility , your feelings, your book, your life etc? Are you a person?

Greetings Vivi

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Re: Many thanks

Postby Larsie » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:28 pm

Hi lobster,

As Vivi and i have pointed to already a couple of times, you are just not seriously answering the most basic question, viz. "am I the body or the mind or both or neither', i.e. dig deep and honestly and see if you can pinpoint where lobster "The I" is located (e.g. In the heart, in the brain). Only needs a simple answer.
Do you ever need the character "lobster" to breath, grow your hair and fingernails, digest your food, or do anything for that matter??? Who is in control? "I"?

No matter how many guides you will get, YOU must answer this once and for all.....nobody else can do this for you!

Have the courage to take off the mask ("persona") and tell me who or what's there!

Thanks and kind regards,
Lars

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Re: Many thanks

Postby Lobster » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:34 pm

Hi Lobster
Seems like you try to answer what you assume I want to hear?
Hi Vivi,
That is your assumption. Things are not always what they seem.
I want to hear what you experience to KNOW.
You seem to assume that such knowing is expressible independent of context. That knowing or experience of knowing, does not exist independently.
So let's say there is no I, me, mine, my in the abstract sense. How do you specifically experience this in life?
It depends on the context. For example this is 'my' message. There is however no experience of 'my', there is no such thing as 'my' independent of context.
Is it your experience that there is no I?
There is no experience of I, independent of context. No sense of I unless asked to experience it, or ascribe it a experience. Then if looking for it, at it or the experience of I, it is not there independently.
What is your practical relation to 'I' in everyday life?
Is it e.g. your body, your computer, your family, your pain, your brain, your responsibility , your feelings, your book, your life etc? Are you a person?
The practical relation to a person is again varied. It is where the attention is focussed that determines the experience of I.

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Re: Many thanks

Postby dreamer » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:48 pm

Hi Lobster

Are you the thinker of thoughts?

greetings Vivi


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