Ready to see

[Kreatenivc]

I'm not sure I'm there yet but I'll try ;)

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

Obviously there is no such thing or being. There is no me, like there is no you - and never was. There is just awareness experiencing life through body - smelling, touching, feeling, hearing, seeing etc. I think body is like the anchor point for awareness that we are. Starting point from where experience of this world begin. Now I understand the God's answer to Moses: I am that I am ;) So we are that we are. If we are anything we are nothing and at the same time we are everything.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

It's a thought we identify with. A thought awareness believes it is. It starts when awareness believes that is this thought and an illusionary separation is created. Self recognizes "itself" as separated from everything else. But interesting still attaches to some thoughts and creates illusionary separate being - probably pumps the energy from awarenes to attract and hold some thoughts, feelings close to itself.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.

It feels like flowing. There is easiness, relaxation, freedom. It feels like fulfillment, wholeness. And it is exciting. Like at the beginning of the safe but exciting adventure. It's different from everything I thought it would be. For now I need to practice the awareness so I don't fall into inllusion of separate self again.

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

I would say it is like going into amusement park and knowing nothing bad will happen to you. Than you can really relax and just enjoy experiencing different adventures. It is the best thing you can imagine - experiencing the most exciting things but not being in danger for a fraction of a moment.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?

I've simply had enough of suffering. Than I realized that there is no suffering in experiencing. Than I saw the " I " thought trying to get some attention and trying to attach other thoughts to itself. I did nothing, just watching and experiencing the itch on my skin, the hearing of the music, the being in this body, the leaving of my co-worker, everything. There is no such thing that could not be experienced. It goes so far that we obviously could experience illusions also - awareness experienced this world through false " I " for almost whole my life. It's time to get a wider perspective ;) Seeing the whole world and beyond thorough one thought of " I " is a very limited vision. Freedom is to de-attach from this thought and experience freely.

Thank you, much love,
Jure

[Metta777]

Thank you, Jure. I will let you know how it goes. You will be joined to an aftercare group if you wish, this will help you continue your insights and discuss anything more that you have questions about. I will also give you my link on FB should you like to continue speaking with me. Love, Metta

[Metta777]

Hi Jure, One last thing, There is only awareness right ? No I anywhere? Awareness is not a thing in itself, it just is. Love, metta

[Kreatenivc]

Hi Metta, I can't find the " I ". It still happens that the " I " pulls me (awareness) into illusion of separate self but most of the time I recognize it. When this happens I just choose one experience - for example breathing. And I see the difference between the " I " thought and the awareness experiencing breathing. I know nobody breathes. Breathing just is like the air or any other manifestation. I know the awareness is no-thing. But so far I need to practice awareness.

I would love to join the aftercare group.

Love
Jure

[Metta777]

But what will practice awareness, since there is no self? <3

[Metta777]

Another guide had the above question for you, it is important that no I is seen, that awareness is all there is. Practicing says there is a self. Looking and seeing through awareness is absolutely no self. Let go of doubt if you have it, even though it may return , this is not unusual. Love, Metta

[Kreatenivc]

With "practice" I mean recognizing the " I " label when it occurs. Not identifying with this thought but just seeing it. Not allowing to believe into illusion of separate self. I know nobody/nothing can practice anything :) Life is practising itself. But sometimes I feel like I fell back into illusion of self.
Yes I doubt from time to time. But when I ask who doubts I see that doubt simply pops us like a thought. Nobody doubts. But awareness can observe and experience it.

Love, Jure

[Metta777]

Great answer, Love, Metta. Will get back to you soon.

[Metta777]

Jure, is it possible to have your Facebook name so I can register you. You may have my link if you like let me know.

Love, Metta

[Metta777]

You are registered and someone will ask you to join the new arrivals group. Here is my link if you wish to friend me, send a request. Either way, good luck and happiness for you. Love, Metta

https://www.facebook.com/Metta.Del

[Kreatenivc]

Thank you to be here for me. You were right - it is like realizing there is no Santa. I remember when I was a child and I saw the truth. You can't go back when you see it.

I sent you a request and would be happy to stay in touch.

Much love,
Jure

[Metta777]

Yes, I saw that. Thank you, :-). I will be in touch. Metta

[Metta777]

Hi Jure, some of the other guides I work with wanted to help and make sure you see everything as clearly as possible. These extra questions are sometimes very good to help see further. Could you answer these as best you can?
Thanks, Metta



When you say "I", what are you referring to?



7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?

Actually look. Does experience belong to the body, or does the body belong to experience?


8) What did you experience at the moment you awoke?



9) Describe your experience in the hours and days following awakening

[Kreatenivc]

Thank you "other guides" to help me see deeper.

When you say "I", what are you referring to?

Hm, I'm not sure. I think I'm referring to experiences that the awareness has through this body. I'm referring to the writing, to seeing the thought, to feeling a hangover ;) ... but mostly I use it because of the language. And from time to time because I fall back into illusion of self and then the " I " always wants something.


7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?

There is only experiencer. I notice that sometimes the " I " label occurs. It is so subtle. But than I realize that this label could be experienced too. Than I feel freedom and release. Its direct experiencing without interpreter. I would say that "I am" in seeing, smelling, touching, listening, coloring, running ... nobody experiencing this because the awareness and a touch, for example, are the same thing. There is just experience in everything that is.

Actually look. Does experience belong to the body, or does the body belong to experience?

I'm not sure that I understand this question. But I see it like this - experience and body are the same thing. They can not be separated. There is no experience without a body and there is no body without an experience.

8) What did you experience at the moment you awoke?

I still have these moments. There is ease, relaxation, freedom. And a laughter. And there's a joy in experiencing. It is conscious experience and it is real, warm. Even if I experience something "bad" in the eyes of " I " - when I dive into it and let the awareness to directly experience, there is very warm and safe feeling. It is like there is love in everything and we can experience it in everything if we have enough courage to let the " I " go and allow the pure and direct experience to happen.

9) Describe your experience in the hours and days following awakening

It was like I am the ping-pong ball at the table tennis match. One moment there was a pure experience and the next moment there was an egoistic " I " having some troubles and desires. Specially I found it difficult to see the " I " label in relationships - with my parents, friends, coworkers and random people. This is still difficult for me - to look from the perspective of awareness when I am in company. Just experience. The " I " label is continuously popping up and it seems that everything is happening to fast to stop and recognize the " I " label and de-attach from it. It is easier when I'm alone. But I think the pure experience is becoming dominant in every situation.

Love
Jure

[Metta777]

Who is the " I " ? What or who is Awareness? Are you Awareness? Warmly, Metta