If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
Give us a rant, what do you see? What is self, how it works, how it starts? Just write and don't try to give a perfect answer, can you tell what is real?
See for yourself.
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
There is no experiencer at the centre of my life. Just the experiences.
I think this is my gate. I'm trying to hold on to this. It feels like everything might collapse without the supporting beam. I imagine empty space where my head should be. Where "I" should be. It's just a space filled with things. Look at all these biological machines running around empty claiming "me!". It's hilarious and beautiful. I think that's the joke and that's the dream. I never really understood the dream or cave analogy before, thinking I'd have to wake up (change consciousness) or leave this place for somewhere better. But it looks like there's no sleep and no dreamer at all anywhere. No dream to wake up from because no one is sleeping. There's no one to sleep. No cave, no shadows, no flame. Just more tales. Have we human animals, in the blackest depths of space, really created this beautiful delusion for ourselves? A blanket to snuggle up in because there is nothing? It really seems like a knitted patchwork of experiences, accumulating throughout our history. It's just a huge drama that is amazing (when contrasted with "nothing"), but which in the end doesn't really matter.
I'm not being nihilistic, far from it.
So where's my enlightenment? My liberation? I am a robot, the operating system is grown/conditioned over time, and then voila, there "I" am.
I look and I see objects, including thoughts, emotions and sensations, but none of them are me. And there isn't a me witnessing, observing, watching behind all of these objects. There is only the objects, the feelings, the emotions. Thinking is the brain breathing, the narration is just the subtitles of experience, the voice-over, the commentary, the brain reflecting ideas and making statements. There isn't a separate consciousness aware of thoughts, sensations, objects. These things are themselves direct and final and lead to nothing, to no receiver, to no me. Is this true then, that there is no me at the centre of it all? This experience right now, is there a me at the centre to whom everything happens? The body is here and it has feelings, the brain is here and it has thoughts, but that's where it ends. There is no soul sitting in the command room, waiting to level-up and die. Unborn indeed. The body was born and then the self was built over time by repetition, conditioning, stored memories, reflexive actions etc. It isn't a separate thing inside the body. I need to see this. Stop waiting for lights to flash and for all the normal things to start glowing and buzzing. There is no magic, there is nothing away from here, there is no me.
Looking at things directly. Look at the hand holding this pen. Is there a me looking at it? Ignore language, ignore "I am looking at the pen", what is actually happening? There is the sight of a pen, because eyes are looking at it. So there is awareness of the pen because eyes send an image to the brain. Is there any more to it?
No dreamer, dreaming. Lots of bodies acting, clockwork, but no actors. I'm trying to nail this because the longer I stay with it the more open and clear this becomes. No crap analogies. Where's The Blue Fairy?
I am nothing. This body gathers experiences as it flows along its trajectory, which if traced back in time can prove the reasons for its definitive course. Anything is possible, but only this here and now was possible.
I'm losing it. You should never ask me to rant. I don't know if I have this or not to be honest.
Can I tell what is real? Everything is real, except for the contents of thought. That is usually wrong 99% of the time and leads to suffering. Imagined situations that will probably never happen, causing so much stress. Worrying about what people think, but it's not really what they're thinking, it's what I think they're thinking. Everything is real, everything that is here is here, anything that isn't, isn't. What isn't real? Telling me that I am awareness, that I am the unchanging thing that is there even when the body sleeps. Telling me that the body wakes up into awareness every morning. That is bullshit. There is no awareness. Awareness is a process, not a thing. And it's certainly not God or the One thing. You can't spiritualise eyesight!
I don't know what to else to say. There is no me. There is a body knitting a personality, labelling and claiming experiences and actions. There's a life going on around "here" and I can see the character this body has formed. Still doubt, still confusion.
I think this is my gate. I'm trying to hold on to this. It feels like everything might collapse without the supporting beam. I imagine empty space where my head should be. Where "I" should be. It's just a space filled with things. Look at all these biological machines running around empty claiming "me!". It's hilarious and beautiful. I think that's the joke and that's the dream. I never really understood the dream or cave analogy before, thinking I'd have to wake up (change consciousness) or leave this place for somewhere better. But it looks like there's no sleep and no dreamer at all anywhere. No dream to wake up from because no one is sleeping. There's no one to sleep. No cave, no shadows, no flame. Just more tales. Have we human animals, in the blackest depths of space, really created this beautiful delusion for ourselves? A blanket to snuggle up in because there is nothing? It really seems like a knitted patchwork of experiences, accumulating throughout our history. It's just a huge drama that is amazing (when contrasted with "nothing"), but which in the end doesn't really matter.
I'm not being nihilistic, far from it.
So where's my enlightenment? My liberation? I am a robot, the operating system is grown/conditioned over time, and then voila, there "I" am.
I look and I see objects, including thoughts, emotions and sensations, but none of them are me. And there isn't a me witnessing, observing, watching behind all of these objects. There is only the objects, the feelings, the emotions. Thinking is the brain breathing, the narration is just the subtitles of experience, the voice-over, the commentary, the brain reflecting ideas and making statements. There isn't a separate consciousness aware of thoughts, sensations, objects. These things are themselves direct and final and lead to nothing, to no receiver, to no me. Is this true then, that there is no me at the centre of it all? This experience right now, is there a me at the centre to whom everything happens? The body is here and it has feelings, the brain is here and it has thoughts, but that's where it ends. There is no soul sitting in the command room, waiting to level-up and die. Unborn indeed. The body was born and then the self was built over time by repetition, conditioning, stored memories, reflexive actions etc. It isn't a separate thing inside the body. I need to see this. Stop waiting for lights to flash and for all the normal things to start glowing and buzzing. There is no magic, there is nothing away from here, there is no me.
Looking at things directly. Look at the hand holding this pen. Is there a me looking at it? Ignore language, ignore "I am looking at the pen", what is actually happening? There is the sight of a pen, because eyes are looking at it. So there is awareness of the pen because eyes send an image to the brain. Is there any more to it?
No dreamer, dreaming. Lots of bodies acting, clockwork, but no actors. I'm trying to nail this because the longer I stay with it the more open and clear this becomes. No crap analogies. Where's The Blue Fairy?
I am nothing. This body gathers experiences as it flows along its trajectory, which if traced back in time can prove the reasons for its definitive course. Anything is possible, but only this here and now was possible.
I'm losing it. You should never ask me to rant. I don't know if I have this or not to be honest.
Can I tell what is real? Everything is real, except for the contents of thought. That is usually wrong 99% of the time and leads to suffering. Imagined situations that will probably never happen, causing so much stress. Worrying about what people think, but it's not really what they're thinking, it's what I think they're thinking. Everything is real, everything that is here is here, anything that isn't, isn't. What isn't real? Telling me that I am awareness, that I am the unchanging thing that is there even when the body sleeps. Telling me that the body wakes up into awareness every morning. That is bullshit. There is no awareness. Awareness is a process, not a thing. And it's certainly not God or the One thing. You can't spiritualise eyesight!
I don't know what to else to say. There is no me. There is a body knitting a personality, labelling and claiming experiences and actions. There's a life going on around "here" and I can see the character this body has formed. Still doubt, still confusion.
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
And I can't identify with space, emptiness, awareness, the void, the space inside/underneath "me". There's no one looking through this filter, "I" is the filter, this is the filter writing. It's not that I am something else more subtle, it's that there actually is no me. How simple. If I realise that I can't identify with ANYTHING, and that all these things aren't me, this body isn't me, this personality isn't me, and I'm not the (fucking) space that contains them... That's more like it.
Why did no one tell me? ;)
I think this is making sense. Trying to ease off on the second-by-second identifying with this body/mind. They are only objects, they are only objects.... repeat until dead.
Why did no one tell me? ;)
I think this is making sense. Trying to ease off on the second-by-second identifying with this body/mind. They are only objects, they are only objects.... repeat until dead.
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
oh, that was a great rant! loved reading it. yes, spot on.
all identity is assumed. no one is here, isn't that a cosmic joke.
why did no one tell you? it's impossible to hear it if you don't look for yourself. if you read some books of masters, you will see how clear the texts are and you can see exactly what they are pointing to.
yes, you are through. it may take some time to admit it and some time to settle.
How is it feeling today?
much love.
all identity is assumed. no one is here, isn't that a cosmic joke.
why did no one tell you? it's impossible to hear it if you don't look for yourself. if you read some books of masters, you will see how clear the texts are and you can see exactly what they are pointing to.
yes, you are through. it may take some time to admit it and some time to settle.
How is it feeling today?
much love.
See for yourself.
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
Hey Ilona,
Thanks again for all your help. I'm not sure what's going on, I feel ok I guess. I still don't feel like I can admit or claim to anything that's spoken about here. But I do feel like I can let go a bit more and just look at what's what. There are still worries because I don't feel a sense of oneness and I still feel separate. I keep trying to dig into my mind for the clarity I had last night, images of an empty human race running all over history and the globe making stuff up and pretending. Except we're not pretending, it just all happened as our awareness and self-consciousness evolved. It's not like we're deliberately hiding and fooling ourselves.
No people anywhere, just fleshy machines. I'll keep looking.
Thanks again for all your help. I'm not sure what's going on, I feel ok I guess. I still don't feel like I can admit or claim to anything that's spoken about here. But I do feel like I can let go a bit more and just look at what's what. There are still worries because I don't feel a sense of oneness and I still feel separate. I keep trying to dig into my mind for the clarity I had last night, images of an empty human race running all over history and the globe making stuff up and pretending. Except we're not pretending, it just all happened as our awareness and self-consciousness evolved. It's not like we're deliberately hiding and fooling ourselves.
No people anywhere, just fleshy machines. I'll keep looking.
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
How much time? Any advice for what I should do now? How do I keep this seeing alive and constant? I feel good but I'm wobbling, as if any minute I could fall back into confusion. I'm trying to take this one second at a time.it may take some time to admit it and some time to settle
If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
It varies, everybody is unique. Just trust what is here for you. One thing that helps a lot is writing. Get it all on the paper or screen, it helps to clarify.
Let's say, write here about what is the illusion of separate self, how does it work, when does is start, how does that affect life of a human.
Explain this as you would to
somebody who never heard about it.
Let's say, write here about what is the illusion of separate self, how does it work, when does is start, how does that affect life of a human.
Explain this as you would to
somebody who never heard about it.
See for yourself.
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
I'll just try to write this out slowly and clearly. Not letting thoughts taking over is like jostling in a crowd, but I want to stay out of concepts too. There is only this, and then thoughts complaining about this. Thoughts want things to be different, all of the time. They want things to be better, or other. No matter how good it is. I'm guilty of seeing this and then letting thoughts explain it all negatively, as if they are somehow more right than the truth because they're what I'm used to being led by. I see clearly, then a thought says "no I didn't". Then more thoughts appear and lobby me into doubt and confusion. Thoughts don't tell me anything, because that me doesn't exist, it isn't there. It's just the conditioned contents of thoughts appearing filled with doubt and beliefs. Not even beliefs, just false information.
My biggest hurdle has been identification. Believing all the me-thoughts to be pointing to a me somewhere. And the idea that I am not my thoughts, not my body, but the containing space, the emptiness, the freedom, the awareness... this has been a massive hurdle. Lies.
And looking to people to help me, innocently enough at first, but then becoming dependant for little titbits of insight and information, picked from someone else's table. Guides are good but you can only do this yourself. There's so much benefit in all these related forums, but there are also new pitfalls which should be looked at. The first pointer should be a slap across the face with a sober whisper of "stop being so fucking stupid, you're imagining everything". Hope, imagination, ideas, all very good for creating within the material world, but terrible if you want to have a look at reality. Then you read all the books with the obvious clues and you keep reading and feeling better and accumulating them, hoping they'll build to a frenzy but really you're just building more walls.
The funny thing is, the first time I seriously found out about enlightenment was by reading the Jed books, which are really a warning to people already caught up in the trap of seeking. I read them thinking I was taking a short-cut but really they just sent me off the long way round. And then I got caught in the trap.
I keep zoning out here, getting distracted. The self really starts when memories and experiences are able to be stored and recalled properly in the human brain. Comparisons arise, here/there, me/you, in/out, right/wrong, makes-food-appear/gets-shouted-at. This is when the contraction starts. I/here. These conditions and experiences then steer the life of the body. Conditions that were themselves part of a chain of events. Nature and nurture? Nurture is nature. It's all nature. Unfolding.
I still don't think I could explain this clearly to anyone, I need to just sit with it and let it unfold and not get swallowed up again. Joke of the century: "Spiritual" Enlightenment.
Ilona, I'll keep going with this here if that's ok.
My biggest hurdle has been identification. Believing all the me-thoughts to be pointing to a me somewhere. And the idea that I am not my thoughts, not my body, but the containing space, the emptiness, the freedom, the awareness... this has been a massive hurdle. Lies.
And looking to people to help me, innocently enough at first, but then becoming dependant for little titbits of insight and information, picked from someone else's table. Guides are good but you can only do this yourself. There's so much benefit in all these related forums, but there are also new pitfalls which should be looked at. The first pointer should be a slap across the face with a sober whisper of "stop being so fucking stupid, you're imagining everything". Hope, imagination, ideas, all very good for creating within the material world, but terrible if you want to have a look at reality. Then you read all the books with the obvious clues and you keep reading and feeling better and accumulating them, hoping they'll build to a frenzy but really you're just building more walls.
The funny thing is, the first time I seriously found out about enlightenment was by reading the Jed books, which are really a warning to people already caught up in the trap of seeking. I read them thinking I was taking a short-cut but really they just sent me off the long way round. And then I got caught in the trap.
First of all, my confusion has been with the idea of a separate self. I know this body is separate physically from that tree over there, that is true. But there is no separate "me" that controls the body and is at the centre of this body's experience. Thought after thought after thought, year after year, the familiarity of this body's awareness, this is what creates the concept of a self. The assumption of the inherent self. I can see it now, my assumed self clicking and ticking away. How can I see this? I don't, I don't exist. There is the mirage of a person right here, in the middle of this room, functioning. It's just a process. The brain doesn't think it sees a self, it's just animation, a cartoon. Sensation, perceptions, thoughts, memories, comparisons, feelings, previous experience all spinning so fast that the person is made. Made fresh moment by moment. The illusion of a separate self, it doesn't happen because the body thinks it is someone, it happens because there is nothing there in the first place! "I did this" is just the brain labelling an action "here". "I" is "here", it's a location. It's this body's location, a contraction.what is the illusion of separate self, how does it work, when does is start, how does that affect life of a human
I keep zoning out here, getting distracted. The self really starts when memories and experiences are able to be stored and recalled properly in the human brain. Comparisons arise, here/there, me/you, in/out, right/wrong, makes-food-appear/gets-shouted-at. This is when the contraction starts. I/here. These conditions and experiences then steer the life of the body. Conditions that were themselves part of a chain of events. Nature and nurture? Nurture is nature. It's all nature. Unfolding.
I still don't think I could explain this clearly to anyone, I need to just sit with it and let it unfold and not get swallowed up again. Joke of the century: "Spiritual" Enlightenment.
Ilona, I'll keep going with this here if that's ok.
If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
Carry on, please. Cut that crap out of the system with truth. Looks like you have seen it.
Is there any doubt at all that there is no separate being 'me'?
Is there any doubt at all that there is no separate being 'me'?
See for yourself.
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
Hi Ilona, I am very grateful.
I have no doubts at all that there is no separate me. I believe I have seen how this body and brain creates the illusion of self. I was going to write "I just don't feel very liberated yet", but that would be crazy talk. Who's to feel liberated?
I'm trying to examine this emptiness, see how far it goes. I have further exploring to do. I keep looking and checking and it's all very obvious, but it doesn't seem like it has fully shifted into a place of confidence. This could just be because of my conditioning though.
Sense of self, assumption of self, these things still have to be tackled moment by moment. They haven't quite weakened yet even though they are seen through. Comfortable beliefs are being prised apart. This isn't easy. Santa, God and Me all dead in the same week... it's a tragedy.
There is no separate me, anywhere. There are the things, there is the awareness of the things, and that is all. No me being aware of things, and no big soup of awareness where all the things exist. I don't exist, not as a me, not as a soul. This company has been convinced that it had a director, but it's really just running itself. Crap analogy. I'm going to sit and look, not really sure what else to write at the minute.
I have no doubts at all that there is no separate me. I believe I have seen how this body and brain creates the illusion of self. I was going to write "I just don't feel very liberated yet", but that would be crazy talk. Who's to feel liberated?
I'm trying to examine this emptiness, see how far it goes. I have further exploring to do. I keep looking and checking and it's all very obvious, but it doesn't seem like it has fully shifted into a place of confidence. This could just be because of my conditioning though.
Sense of self, assumption of self, these things still have to be tackled moment by moment. They haven't quite weakened yet even though they are seen through. Comfortable beliefs are being prised apart. This isn't easy. Santa, God and Me all dead in the same week... it's a tragedy.
There is no separate me, anywhere. There are the things, there is the awareness of the things, and that is all. No me being aware of things, and no big soup of awareness where all the things exist. I don't exist, not as a me, not as a soul. This company has been convinced that it had a director, but it's really just running itself. Crap analogy. I'm going to sit and look, not really sure what else to write at the minute.
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
And.
Thoughts have no substance, they aren't things, just in/out information. The idea of "thoughts" is a concept. It's just information. Sensory input being processed. Thoughts are reflections. Images brought in by eyes and meeting the brain, then reflecting, or filtering through memories of experiences and conditioning. "I" only exists as a thought process while the body is aware of it's surroundings (inc it's own sensations). Thoughts are just echoes of perceptions, and there are only perceptions, no perceivers.
I am an information process, and therefore have no substance outside of thoughts, which themselves have no substance outside of awareness (awareness as an act, not a thing). Information, in and out. In and filtered through memories and conditioning, then back out into feelings, thought variations (dependent on conditioning and stored memories), and actions.
There are only perceptions. No thinker. No one thinking. The appearance of thinking is the feedback of received information, bouncing around off of mirrors in the brain, just all reflections. It's just all information! No identifying with any of it. I am not That. I am not This. I think (thoughts happen) therefore (I think) I am. The I is thoughts, which aren't really thoughts, just 2nd-hand pieces of perception/information. Thoughts are nothing, echoes of perceptions. And nothing can be personal if there's no person. "Personal" is created over time by familiarity and stored memory.
Any more questions?
Thoughts have no substance, they aren't things, just in/out information. The idea of "thoughts" is a concept. It's just information. Sensory input being processed. Thoughts are reflections. Images brought in by eyes and meeting the brain, then reflecting, or filtering through memories of experiences and conditioning. "I" only exists as a thought process while the body is aware of it's surroundings (inc it's own sensations). Thoughts are just echoes of perceptions, and there are only perceptions, no perceivers.
I am an information process, and therefore have no substance outside of thoughts, which themselves have no substance outside of awareness (awareness as an act, not a thing). Information, in and out. In and filtered through memories and conditioning, then back out into feelings, thought variations (dependent on conditioning and stored memories), and actions.
There are only perceptions. No thinker. No one thinking. The appearance of thinking is the feedback of received information, bouncing around off of mirrors in the brain, just all reflections. It's just all information! No identifying with any of it. I am not That. I am not This. I think (thoughts happen) therefore (I think) I am. The I is thoughts, which aren't really thoughts, just 2nd-hand pieces of perception/information. Thoughts are nothing, echoes of perceptions. And nothing can be personal if there's no person. "Personal" is created over time by familiarity and stored memory.
Any more questions?
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
can you look deeper into this. this is not clear yet.I think (thoughts happen) therefore (I think) I am.
so tell me, what was it, that pushed you over?
See for yourself.
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
Sorry, thought I was being clear, but maybe not.
I think = thoughts are happening that contain a sense of self (not that there is a thinker!)
therefore I am = sense of self appears.
There is only a sense of self when thoughts of I are present. Contracted thoughts. The clearest I can see this is when I look at experience, sensations and perceptions now, and see it all as information. No thing that it's all happening to other than the awareness created by this human brain/body organism. The flow of data makes the personality, makes the brain's assumption of a self. This is being seen through now, by the brain, not by anything else behind or all around. I've not seen anything new, it's just the brain is slowly learning to stop believing what has always been assumed, and to take everything at face value. I can't see a separate self anywhere, so there isn't one.
Nothing mega has changed really, and nothing has been pushed over. A slow dawning realisation that I can't possibly exist, and that reality is different than I'd previously "assumed".
I can honestly say I don't feel liberated, or any sense of freedom. I do feel like I'm at the start of something though, and that I need to keep smashing through these beliefs and assumptions. I feel like my seeking has let up because I know exactly what is to be found. Ilona, you're the one that said I was through, but I'm not sure what this means exactly. I'm open to suggestions and pointers, rather than just letting me ramble on... I've been writing quite a bit and because it hasn't been questioned I'm assuming that what I'm seeing/saying is correct.
I've been at these boards for months and I owe thanks to many people (especially Thassa and Viv), but if there was any push it was a few days ago. Seeing (not just understanding) that there is nothing at the receiving end of perceptions. Seeing how flimsy the illusion of self is. It's easy to look for self and not find it, but this means nothing if you're still operating (as if) from behind an assumed self. The key to this isn't just "there is no you", it is also "there is no sense of self either". It's not that there is a real sense of self that points to nothing, the actual sense of self is a lie too. Break the sense of self apart first, then go looking to see if a self exists. That would be my advice to anyone.
I don't feel anything different and nothing has changed. But I know that what I've thought I was all my life isn't true, and that I don't exist as a separate thing. When this body dies, I won't die, because I'm not even here right now.
Please let's talk further. If you think I'm full of shit tell me where I'm going wrong. I think I've had a glimpse that can't be reversed but which still needs refining and investigating. I wouldn't say this if I didn't mean it, the last thing I want is to pretend to myself that I have this. Ha. Well, I couldn't do that if I tried!
Much respect,
W.
I think = thoughts are happening that contain a sense of self (not that there is a thinker!)
therefore I am = sense of self appears.
There is only a sense of self when thoughts of I are present. Contracted thoughts. The clearest I can see this is when I look at experience, sensations and perceptions now, and see it all as information. No thing that it's all happening to other than the awareness created by this human brain/body organism. The flow of data makes the personality, makes the brain's assumption of a self. This is being seen through now, by the brain, not by anything else behind or all around. I've not seen anything new, it's just the brain is slowly learning to stop believing what has always been assumed, and to take everything at face value. I can't see a separate self anywhere, so there isn't one.
Nothing mega has changed really, and nothing has been pushed over. A slow dawning realisation that I can't possibly exist, and that reality is different than I'd previously "assumed".
I can honestly say I don't feel liberated, or any sense of freedom. I do feel like I'm at the start of something though, and that I need to keep smashing through these beliefs and assumptions. I feel like my seeking has let up because I know exactly what is to be found. Ilona, you're the one that said I was through, but I'm not sure what this means exactly. I'm open to suggestions and pointers, rather than just letting me ramble on... I've been writing quite a bit and because it hasn't been questioned I'm assuming that what I'm seeing/saying is correct.
I've been at these boards for months and I owe thanks to many people (especially Thassa and Viv), but if there was any push it was a few days ago. Seeing (not just understanding) that there is nothing at the receiving end of perceptions. Seeing how flimsy the illusion of self is. It's easy to look for self and not find it, but this means nothing if you're still operating (as if) from behind an assumed self. The key to this isn't just "there is no you", it is also "there is no sense of self either". It's not that there is a real sense of self that points to nothing, the actual sense of self is a lie too. Break the sense of self apart first, then go looking to see if a self exists. That would be my advice to anyone.
I don't feel anything different and nothing has changed. But I know that what I've thought I was all my life isn't true, and that I don't exist as a separate thing. When this body dies, I won't die, because I'm not even here right now.
Please let's talk further. If you think I'm full of shit tell me where I'm going wrong. I think I've had a glimpse that can't be reversed but which still needs refining and investigating. I wouldn't say this if I didn't mean it, the last thing I want is to pretend to myself that I have this. Ha. Well, I couldn't do that if I tried!
Much respect,
W.
If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
Thoughts contain the sense of self. Is this true?
Sense is something that can be perceived. What is happening with the sense of self? Can you look deeper here.
There is a sense
There is a thought: "sense of self"
Happening at the same time.
Check if the sense that you are labelling "self" is personal. Lift your arm, how does it work?
yes, it's just a beginning. A ride without driver.
Everyone is unique and what happens after is unique too. There is a lot of cleaning up to do.
Sense is something that can be perceived. What is happening with the sense of self? Can you look deeper here.
There is a sense
There is a thought: "sense of self"
Happening at the same time.
Check if the sense that you are labelling "self" is personal. Lift your arm, how does it work?
yes, it's just a beginning. A ride without driver.
Everyone is unique and what happens after is unique too. There is a lot of cleaning up to do.
See for yourself.
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
8-week guided self-inquiry experience → https://ilonaciunaite.com/8-week-program/
Re: If you are seeking to end the seeking, come in here.
Hi Ilona, thanks for sticking with me. I'm a bit slow today as I have a mountain of work.
So in the case of a sense of self, I think it's just an awareness of thoughts related to I or me. Contracted thoughts. Same as the feeling of being alive is just awareness of all the body/brain objects and a sense of being present is awareness of the objects and sensations of the body.
The sense of self is not personal to anything, it is the thing that makes things feel personal though. Just a feeling or sense. There's no person.
Sorry if I'm not being clear. Sense of self consists of the physical sensations of this body, and of this body's personality/character (memories and experiences). But a sense of body sensations alone isn't enough to create a sense of self, it needs the added illusion of the story to create the assumption of "me".There is a sense
There is a thought: "sense of self"
So in the case of a sense of self, I think it's just an awareness of thoughts related to I or me. Contracted thoughts. Same as the feeling of being alive is just awareness of all the body/brain objects and a sense of being present is awareness of the objects and sensations of the body.
The sense of self is not personal to anything, it is the thing that makes things feel personal though. Just a feeling or sense. There's no person.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Amazon [Bot] and 13 guests