I can't quite get "there"

[jeffdilbeck]

There isn't a separation between mind and the sense of I. How do you think this sense arises? Look closely, and relax. :)

Nothing is being taken away.

sending love.
Jeff

Ps-I took a break from work to write this post. I'll write more tonight. :)

[jeffdilbeck]

So here is a simple exercise. Just close your eyes, and look for that which is always there. Feel it, and report back what you find. Just answer honestly, that is all that is needed.

:)

[cummins55]

Wow Thank-you for telling me about page 2. I almost thought you were thru with my shananigans.
O.k., there's a sense of being on the edge of perception when I follow the excersise of noticing how I'm on automation, I worked today and was aware of doing and saying without really thinking about. It just happens.
When I close my eyes....That which is always there is silent awareness.

[cummins55]

This thing about mind and the sense of I being one. Without mind I would not have this sense of I? There would be no me. Without that what is there? Only awareness. Aware of being breathed. Aware of the world coming and going. But without the sense of I would there be a world? Without the sense of I there would be no attachments to the world, or it's people. Everything and everyone would be so temporary. Is there love? Is that love?

blessings for your time spent here

[jeffdilbeck]

There is love. There is a world. Those two things are here with or without Linda.

If you had no mind, the sense aliveness would be absent, as would be all of the ideas which make up a sense of *me*.

Is the mind you? Are you awareness? Are you the one which automatic functions are happening to?

Look for the one who wants enlightenment. Where is it? Look with your eyes, feel inside, is there someone there beyond the investigation?


:)

[cummins55]

I don't know. There is no one there. Enlightenment is a good story. No one is there beyond the investigation. No one. I can never find anyone there. Automatic functions are just happening. Awareness is just there.

[jeffdilbeck]

What do you think about mistakes?

[cummins55]

There are no mistakes. It was supposed to happen, how do I know? Because it happened.

[jeffdilbeck]

There is an I inside you. Is it true?

:)

[cummins55]

There is an I linked to mind. Yes,I noticed it today contemplating mistakes. I and mind have problems, struggle get embarrassed. Now, what is left. Nothing. Flow. Wind.

[jeffdilbeck]

In answering, you said there is an I linked to mind.
:)

but, then you said I and mind have problems.
O_o

What is with the separation between the two?

consider these ideas:

Where do thoughts come from?
What is a thought?
Can you control thoughts?
Can you stop a thought in the middle?
Can you stop the sense of existing?

Please answer each question in some detail.

[cummins55]

Thoughts come from the meat computer, the programer. A thought is a defense mechanism to keep the ego alive. To keep control of the body. I used to joke if it weren't for the fact that it needed me to get around, my mind would have killed me a long time ago.
I can quiet my thoughts for a moment or two once in a while. Sometimes I will audibly tell my thoughts to quiet down, "You shut-up," "You shut up!". At work thoughts gain momemtum and I'm in the vortex of emotion. I can't stop my thought in the middle, I can re-think a thought. I have to go from negative to positive sometimes. No I cannot stop the sense of existing.
Seperation between I and mind, hmmmm. I is the sense of linda and mind are memories and conditioning. I and mind are in my head. What's left is in my chest, heart. Which is nothing really. But it's quiet there.
Happy Sunday to you

[jeffdilbeck]

I can quiet my thoughts for a moment or two once in a while. Sometimes I will audibly tell my thoughts to quiet down, "You shut-up," "You shut up!".

Telling your mind to "shut up" is fighting fire with fire. Look deeply at this. Is it true?


At work thoughts gain momemtum and I'm in the vortex of emotion. I can't stop my thought in the middle, I can re-think a thought. I have to go from negative to positive sometimes.

Sometimes what is seen is a belief that these are 'my thoughts' not just passing clouds. A little looking is all that is really required once the sky is fully noticed. Let's try to show you the sky first, after blowing away the clouds, and then you should be able to learn to know the sky, instead of worrying about the clouds. Clouds are always going to be there, Linda. You just have to be able to discern.

No I cannot stop the sense of existing.

:)

Seperation between I and mind, hmmmm. I is the sense of linda and mind are memories and conditioning. I and mind are in my head. What's left is in my chest, heart.

Is it what is left? What would happen if your knee hurt really bad? Wouldn't there be some sort of sense of, damn, my knee hurts really bad, etc? Is it 'my' knee though? I know it is attached to *your* body, but is that more than a thought?

If I is the sense of Linda, and that seems to only reside in the heart, then what about the I sense in the eyes that is reading this sentence? Is that a *me*, is the I sense also located in the eyes? Why is the chest saying, hey, down here?

What about feet? what is going on down there? Is I moving just reading this?

Why is I loosen-able(sorry about made up words)?

What is real here?

Look at your experience.

there is reading, typing, breathing, looking, hearing, coughing, responding, walking, talking, being, sitting (there is even a sense of sitting)

The volume seems to go up when attention is put on it.

So conscious awareness is looking around all the time.

What does that looking?

Where is I within all this?

:)

Happy Sunday to you!!!


Which is nothing really. But it's quiet there.

[cummins55]

DUDE!!
The body is what's holding I/mind/linda. When the body hurts, that's what is happening, like typing, breathing, looking, hearing, coughing, responding, walking, talking, being, sitting (or the sense) It's like an event of nature. It's what is happening. Thoughts are not me. I don't know who me is. I don't know what does the looking. I understand telling my mind to shut up is like fighting fire with fire cause that's why it answered with, "you shut-up!". What's in my head are the clouds. What's in my heart and all around is the sky. When I get out of head, there is the sky.
Did I get it all?

[cummins55]

What is I? Another name for linda. What is real here? Awareness is real. Why is I loosen-able? It's a word used to describe, linda...and linda gets around. :0 I/linda doesn't know.