Hello

[Jorge786]

Yes, "things" happend, "I" don't doing nothing, right now "I" (i dont know if i may use that word "I" jejeje) realize that, at this very moment i "know" the things are "happening", the "I" dont writting right now, is very calm this, so many things are happening today but those are the past and i have a slight memory of that , the emotions are not involved

[Metta777]

If you are not your body, not your thoughts, not your sight,smell, touch, feelings, what's left?????

[Jorge786]

possibly nothing or then everything, I feel stupid because I do not understand and that is the "I" feeling stupid
I do not know what that is, I do not know if I should call "conscience" because surely the word is inadequate
what I felt today is "empty", I do not know if it's true what I felt,
I know that is not what I think, my body and my senses were just something that "they are there"
but what I felt today is not constant,
I feel that the "I" is there but I think for a time was very slight

[Metta777]

Jorge, you are not stupid, that is the ego again, trying to take control. You do not need a label or name for what you are feeling. Trust yourself, " my body and my senses were just something that "they are there" , yes, Jorge, very good. It is okay that it is not constant, small times of awareness when continued will eventually lead to permanent awakening. " possibly nothing or then everything" Yes, very good. You don't exist Jorge, neither do I. We are a collection of thoughts and experiences which cause feelings. These things are never the same, as we experience things we change constantly. When you are experiencing something directly is this real? RIGHT NOW!!! Is that real? <3 Metta

[Jorge786]

i'm trying to go deep to answer your question...
wath is the meaning of that word?, the things happend, it's happening now, not are real world or real things or real "happenings" it's just this, wath is "not real"?

[Metta777]

There is no past, it is imaginary, you cannot go and relive it. The past is only a story your brain tells you. It is gone, you cannot exist in the past. Things, events or actions cannot be done differently once they are done. So is the past real?? The future, a person cannot live in the future, it has not happened yet. It is also a story your brain tells itself. Watch your brain talking with you? Who or what is watching your brain talking? Can you see any identity anywhere? Where is your mind living Jorge? Is just your body your "I" ? Look at your body, your hands and think " I don't own them." What are your feelings then? Metta

[Jorge786]

There is no past, it is imaginary, you cannot go and relive it. The past is only a story your brain tells you. It is gone, you cannot exist in the past. Things, events or actions cannot be done differently once they are done. So is the past real??
no, only exist the present

The future, a person cannot live in the future, it has not happened yet. It is also a story your brain tells itself.
Watch your brain talking with you?
Yes, it happened

Who or what is watching your brain talking?
That is empty, have no feelings or thoughts, conclusions or opinions, only it's watching.
sometimes appears it's watching what the "I" is saying from "behind"

Can you see any identity anywhere?
don't understand, "anywhere"?, the "I" have an identity called "Jorge", that "other thing" seems have nothing, like a "quiet observer".
maybe need to go deep in that situation (when the "observer" is watching), to be honest I need to question, it's real or is my brain in a malfunction?, i'm trying to "see" this but is difficult, what I should do? or is this the way to "kill" the perception of "I"?

Where is your mind living Jorge?
is not living by itself, thoughts are a process, a chemical or physical process

Is just your body your "I" ?
it's a perception of "I", my body is a form of many forms, i'm trying right now to do this not a "theory" but realize this, trying to go deeply into this

Look at your body, your hands and think " I don't own them." What are your feelings then?
hands exist, feel like everything only exist, "I" have nothing, not this body, no "it's" owns, but the "I" ask, what is moving this fingers? and why it's moving, who have the intention of writing this? is a paradox?, it's a only reaction?, i'm meditating "to go into" this emptiness

regards
Jorge

PD: i'm asking , what I'm expecting?, a Buda coming floating from a cloud? jajajaj

[Metta777]

That's right Jorge, existence is only in the present. This is good. Again this is correct, it is just happening. ,life just happens. It appears to be watching from behind the " I ", but there is no " I ", only the watcher. Yes, a quiet observer. Can you find an identity in the past or future, or inside your body? Or do you just have feelings, sensations, thoughts in the right now? That just happen. can the thoughts be stopped completely Jorge? If the thoughts are you, then stop them completely. Yes, they are just a happening, a process. it is only a perception, your body and mind are just perceptions and processes, it is never the same. when you look at your body, you know one day it will be dropped. What is making it drop? If it is you, why will your body drop and where is the " I " then?
Yes, what are you expecting Jorge. :-) Everyone is a Buddha. there are many paradoxes. Warmly, Metta

[Jorge786]

...it is just happening. ,life just happens.
When emotions are involved, it is harder to "placed" in the present, I'm trained to react to things calling them "negative" or "positive"

can the thoughts be stopped completely Jorge? If the thoughts are you, then stop them completely.
when the body stops working, as when the heart stops beating

Yes, they are just a happening, a process. it is only a perception, your body and mind are just perceptions and processes, it is never the same. when you look at your body, you know one day it will be dropped. What is making it drop? If it is you, why will your body drop and where is the " I " then?
nowhere, every form is changing, death and life are part of this process of change, this bring me to another question, what life is?, I remember some friend of me said me: "look at the rock, that tree, this fork, all is the same, life is in everything... is as Yoda said in the "stars wars" movie! jajajaj"... in that moment I was thinking (raised eyebrows) "what a kind of crazy!!!"

[Metta777]

There is touching, tasting, smelling, seeing, and hearing. and a mind to interpet. Then nothing else. Can you control your thoughts, make them think what you want? Or does your thoughts wander around? You see something and your mind jumps to it and starts thinking of that, then jumps to something else. Can you just sit and stop from thinking?

[Jorge786]

There is touching, tasting, smelling, seeing, and hearing. and a mind to interpet. Then nothing else.
Can you control your thoughts, make them think what you want? Or does your thoughts wander around?
Like a hiperactive child, it's jumping from one thing to other, (except you are making numbers or playing chess.... or programming... ha)
You see something and your mind jumps to it and starts thinking of that, then jumps to something else.
that's right
Can you just sit and stop from thinking?
No... definitly, don't control the thoughts or the mind, many times (ever?) they controls me! and that's part of the problem, identity is another, I can see that, when I'm (I think) into the Present the mind and the thoughts have less power, then somtimes is only a parrot and sometimes is a whisper
the paradox here is i'm using my mind to descript the mind

[Metta777]

Yes, you are, but who is observing that you are doing that? If the mind is you, who is observing you describe the mind? The mind is like a river of thoughts, they are not you. If the thoughts are you, how can you tell me that you are using your mind to describe the mind. Something is seeing that. who is the observer of this? If your mind is you, wouldn't you be able to control it? It still thinks whether you like it or not. People get false identity from thoughts and experiences. Some people think they are bunny rabbits and hop around, but clearly that is not true. Yes, just a parrot. So tell me where the identity of Jorge is living? Can you point to any specific place where your identity is living?

[Jorge786]

Yes, you are, but who is observing that you are doing that? If the mind is you, who is observing you describe the mind?
The mind is like a river of thoughts, they are not you. If the thoughts are you, how can you tell me that you are using your mind to describe the mind. Something is seeing that.
who is the observer of this?
then is a consciousness that does not use the mind to observe those processes, the mind judges, this not.

Can you point to any specific place where your identity is living?
no, i can't to point an exactly place, because it's not a place, is a "construction" with memories of my past, a habit, a idea supported by the sensation (senses) of a body what seems a thing separated from another things by the skin, that set of things is the sensation of "me"
now... how can I drop this thinking?, i know, i know... my question is a "rhetorical" question because, if a "method" exist, many people would be used

[Metta777]

Many people are free of the illusion of self Jorge. The story of your experiences ,senses, skin, body, is not you.

no, i can't to point an exactly place

You can't point to a place because there is no place. Jorge does not exist. The existence of Jorge is only a thought and senses and experiences , that is it. If you cannot see yourself in any of these things, then where are you? Think deeply about this. The thoughts just happen, the senses just happen, you don't control them. Who does then? Life just happens, your thoughts of Jorge just happen. Tell me who Jorge is without using the word, " I ".

[Jorge786]

I can't, I stopped in this part, seems very simple but for me this is difficult exactly like a Koan, who or what is using the mind to investigate the answer?.
I can't dropped this sensation of self. the sensation of being, this imaginary jorge is not belongs to "me" (what is "me"?), I can see the confusion in the mind.
There is so many "I" in this message, "jorge" is still here, but I don't want it because it's angry and pain