Greetings - New Here :)

[Consciousness]

Good Sunday, to you Nona! Your questions and responses sincerely motivate the looking and prodding of seeing and it's so very appreciated! The excitement is really involved in this process for the first time rather than eluding it and eye truly wish to "see" it and not just try and go along nor give up. So if "I" stumble a few times, eye thank you in advance for your patience :) <3

In the 3D world, how do you know there are different controllers? Do you see any controller controlling? Or does the avatar just move.
LOOK at the screen with your eyes, and point with your finger to the controller.
Same as Sylvia; check it! What can you see 'controlling' Sylvia? Point to the controller and tell me what you SEE.

Eye see no controller on the screen except for the avatar(s) moving and “doing” -the same with Sylvia – eye see no controller – only see parts of Sylvia’s body moving and doing.

Nothing has changed; 'you' were never "unique and special in one’s own way" before now either! You are merely becoming aware that there is no 'you' to be 'unique and special in one’s own way' at all!

The more eye try “looking” & reflecting back, in looking for “me” and finding nothing – is making that very apparent now. Whew! There’s so much awe! !!

Does it?? There is no 'you', and there are feelings being experienced! A sensation occurs, and it is felt. By whom? By no one. Feelings just happen. They are real. Only the 'me' they appear to be happening to is not separate from the feelings themselves.

Check it! Anger arises. Is it arising to something?? Or is it just arising. Is there anger without feeling?

Eye see that Anger is just arising. And anger is a feeling that just happens

Are they separate at all? Point to the dividing line between anger and feeling, between Sylvia and the experience of feelings.

Eye don’t see a dividing line.

LOOK with your eyes; do you SEE a Sylvia being imagined? Do you think she might be imagined? Check if there is a Real Imaginer!

No, eye don’t “see” Sylvia being imagined nor an imaginer. Thoughts toyed with the idea that she might be imagined, among many other possibilities such as in being in a dream or some sort of program

Same as thought of Self. The thought is real; the self is imaginary—it's an image.

Okay, eye did the exercises and was able to SEE all this as eye went through those processes. Yet the confusion comes in after seeing thought of self is real yet eye see no controller - but then the question comes…. “where is the “thought” of *the imaginary self* coming from?” can’t quite see/grasp it yet :/

Yes. The idea that we have some kind of Control over a separate slice of Life is deeply ingrained. How did it get that way? How did Sylvia come to believe she was a separate self in control of some slice of Life?

After looking, eye see that a myriad of things, from either the parents, school, religion, TV, which eye have stopped watching a few years now – could have lead to “me” thinking the separation. Separation leads to more separation, be it sport teams, religion, ethnicities, political groups and even advertising/movies/books/music teach separation one way or another – when looked at.

What part of Life are 'you' in control of?
Go outside into nature and spend some time just watching Life occurring spontaneously. SEE that Life is happening without any 'you' to control it. The trees and grass grow with no controller; the birds sing and fly with no controller. LOOK and SEE if you can find a controller of and part of Life anywhere at all!

Eye can’t see that eye am in control of any part of life – the mind imagined it.
Life went on as eye looked and watched, with nothing the eyes could see controlling life.

When you are deeply focused on a direct physical experience—for example FEELing feet striking the pavement during walking, FEELing hot soapy water on hands when doing dishes, FEELing your bum on the chair your back pressing into a pillow while sitting—what happens to the chatter? Check it.

The chatter is silent as eye actually “focused” on the feelings of the body doing any of those actions and other actions throughout last night and today, when eye actually paid attention. With the body doing a lot of tasks today, overall, eye really LOOKED and eye saw that the five senses play a HUGE part in the mind being convinced that there is an “I”. eye see that the senses are like tools for the body.

Good!! Does a newborn have a self at all? Check it!

Eye don’t see that babies have a sense of a self until it is taught differently

Check the nervousness. That's another aspect of fear. What is feared will happen if you see through the illusion that you are/have a separate self? Ask it!

Behind the fear eye see there is no “me” just a thought/imagined/a lie.

Mind will do whatever it takes to shift your focus away from SEEing that there is no separate you; it will distract you with worrying thoughts. Check it: if there is no separate you, how are you alone?? If there is no separation at all, what does that mean?

Agreed! :) eye have seen this! The mind was full of unusual extra chatter /thoughts since the beginning of this process; even thoughts of trying to explain things away, when eye was trying to “see”. In really LOOKing, eye see that the statement eye made about “being alone” was the minds attempt at continued separation.

And Life is life-ing at night too.

lol yes! very true. =)

Thank you for reading this when you have the time and eye appreciate your feedback whenever you are able. Much love & Peace, Nona. Till tomorrow. Namaste

Sylvia

[nonaparry]

Hi Sylvia! It's already Monday down here!

Good work on looking for dividing lines!!

Okay, eye did the exercises and was able to SEE all this as eye went through those processes. Yet the confusion comes in after seeing thought of self is real yet eye see no controller - but then the question comes…. “where is the “thought” of *the imaginary self* coming from?” can’t quite see/grasp it yet :/

Where are any thoughts coming from? Check it. Can you find a location that thoughts 'come from'?? Or are thoughts just arising without a location? POINT to where thoughts come from and tell me what you see.

You said

After looking, eye see that a myriad of things, from either the parents, school, religion, TV, which eye have stopped watching a few years now – could have lead to “me” thinking the separation. Separation leads to more separation, be it sport teams, religion, ethnicities, political groups and even advertising/movies/books/music teach separation one way or another – when looked at.

Could that be how the thought of the imaginary self arises?

Life went on as eye looked and watched, with nothing the eyes could see controlling life.

Is there something real that eyes cannot see 'controlling' life at all?

The chatter is silent as eye actually “focused” on the feelings of the body doing any of those actions and other actions throughout last night and today, when eye actually paid attention.

Yes. This is how the chatter gets silenced: by shifting focus to Direct Experience. Thoughts chatter; senses don't. It really is that simple.

With the body doing a lot of tasks today, overall, eye really LOOKED and eye saw that the five senses play a HUGE part in the mind being convinced that there is an “I”. eye see that the senses are like tools for the body.

How do "the five senses play a HUGE part in the mind being convinced that there is an “I”."? Describe this in detail, please.

Behind the fear eye see there is no “me” just a thought/imagined/a lie.

You see a no-me behind the fear?? Are you sure? Perhaps you are thinking the fear is "just a thought/imagined/a lie". It is not. It is a sensation that gets labeled "bad or undesirable"; but fear is very useful! It is a defense mechanism that arises to protect us from something. What is the fear protecting? LOOK!
We are not here to create a belief in no-me; that there is not a real 'me' at all is a verifiable fact, it's Reality. Please find out what might happen if you see through the illusion that you are/have a separate self. This is key!

The mind was full of unusual extra chatter /thoughts since the beginning of this process; even thoughts of trying to explain things away, when eye was trying to “see”. In really LOOKing, eye see that the statement eye made about “being alone” was the minds attempt at continued separation.

Describe this process of Looking and Seeing in detail. What happened and what was seen?

Looking forward to your reply!
love
Nona

[Consciousness]

[bold]Hi Sylvia! It's already Monday down here[/bold]

Hey Nona! (: ah okay! eye see from your profile where your location is. Understood lol Sorry for responding late in my day but the work day was a hectic one and eye wanted to really look and see all you asked me to, so here goes!

Where are any thoughts coming from? Check it. Can you find a location that thoughts 'come from'?? Or are thoughts just arising without a location? POINT to where thoughts come from and tell me what you see.

The thoughts just arise. Eye cannot “see” the location but “I” but assume they are coming from the mind.

Could that be how the thought of the imaginary self arises?

Eye see how they can possibly condition thoughts of the imaginary self that it is “I” and the illusion of separation, though eye am not sure if those are how imaginary self came about.

Is there something real that eyes cannot see 'controlling' life at all?

If there is, something real, controlling life, then eye in all honesty, can’t see it - but thoughts arise that there must be since “I” don’t control it, then something else must be, yet eye cannot see a controller.


How do "the five senses play a HUGE part in the mind being convinced that there is an “I”."? Describe this in detail, please.[/quote]

Eye see that hearing sounds, seeing things with the eyes, tasting food/beverages , touching anything, smelling aromas, has questions arise in the mind how can there be no “I” in the body who is experiencing all these senses/sensations. looking in the mirror isn't helpful either (:

What is the fear protecting? LOOK!
We are not here to create a belief in no-me; that there is not a real 'me' at all is a verifiable fact, it's Reality. Please find out what might happen if you see through the illusion that you are/have a separate self. This is key!

Eye am not sure eye see it clearly enough, but the fear seems to be protecting the truth (the truth of what, is being elusive right now). if eye see through the illusion that eye have a separate self, thoughts arise in the mind that it won’t be needed any more.

Describe this process of Looking and Seeing in detail. What happened and what was seen?

The eyes looked at what eye wrote and your response and saw what eye wrote as an attempt by the mind to play a “mind-trick” - that there is an “I” separate from everything and everyone else, to be alone in the first place, trying to avoid truth of that which eye cannot see yet.



While doing anything now, eye am “looking” unlike ever before. It is such a weird experience when eye look at others or things. It now feels like the eyes are seeing/watching from behind a movie camera or video camera. The thing that made me laugh most (not out of fear this time) was remembering one of your earlier question about “do eye see me anywhere”? when eye use the minds eye to recall anyplace eye have ever been, be it a family dinner at a huge table, a party, or what have you. The minds eye can see all the “others” that were at the event but eye cannot see “me/I” even though the body knows it was present, eye don’t see the image of “me/I”! It was kind of like the twist in the movie "The 6th Sense" only with a different twist.

Cheers, Nona! And thank you as always! Much love-peace to you. Look forward to hearing back when time allows. Namaste

Sylvia

[Consciousness]

....oooops! sorry for the quote not working on one of your posts. (:

[nonaparry]

Hi Sylvia!

The thoughts just arise. Eye cannot “see” the location but “I” but assume they are coming from the mind.

Yes, most people live in the assumptions they make instead of in Reality. So when you answer, please answer from your Direct Experience rather than from beliefs or assumptions or anything you've read or been told. Including what I say here! I can only Point; you will have to SEE.

since “I” don’t control it, then something else must be, yet eye cannot see a controller.

Nothing is controlling life at all; all life happens without some imaginary director at all. Check your experience: Sylvia is reading this message and replying—is there a controller of Sylvia? A force that moves her eyes, reads the words to her, moves her fingers, taps the keyboard? Is there a Typer typing or a Reader reading? LOOK! How about when you do some habitual behaviour, like brushing your teeth or walking home? Is there something controlling the hand moving, the legs straightening and bending, the weight shifting, telling the long- and short-twitch muscles to contract or lengthen, the feet to strike the ground? Or do those things simply happen automatically? Look!!

How do "the five senses play a HUGE part in the mind being convinced that there is an “I”."? Describe this in detail, please.

Eye see that hearing sounds, seeing things with the eyes, tasting food/beverages , touching anything, smelling aromas, has questions arise in the mind how can there be no “I” in the body who is experiencing all these senses/sensations. looking in the mirror isn't helpful either (:

Okay! So the "I" is located in the body? I want you to close your eyes and get very clear about where the "I" is located. Then lift one hand and Point with a finger to the "I" in the body. Then open your eyes and tell me exactly what you SEE through your eyes. What is the finger Pointing at?

When a sound is heard, is there a separate hearer inside hearing the sound? Or is hearing and sounding a single event? How about seeing and sight? Is the image separate from the seeing? Can you see without there being an image seen? Is there a little taster inside that does the tasting of food and drink? Or does tasting simply occur when the food/drink hits the tongue? How about smell? Is there smelling happening that is separate from the aroma? Check during your day!

When you look in a mirror, what do you see? In Reality? Go ahead, look in a mirror and describe what you see. Is that an "I" at all?

Eye am not sure eye see it clearly enough, but the fear seems to be protecting the truth (the truth of what, is being elusive right now).

What is the truth that the fear is protecting? Ask the fear what it is protecting.

if eye see through the illusion that eye have a separate self, thoughts arise in the mind that it won’t be needed any more.

Yes. That is the fear—that the 'self' will be unnecessary. But you don't have a separate self at all already! None at all! So in fact, it isn't even needed NOW!! Check it!

The eyes looked at what eye wrote and your response and saw what eye wrote as an attempt by the mind to play a “mind-trick” - that there is an “I” separate from everything and everyone else, to be alone in the first place, trying to avoid truth of that which eye cannot see yet.

So what are you able to see? And by see I mean with the eyes in your head. Do you see a computer or phone? Do you see a room? furniture? maybe a window? If I ask you to look for a tooth fairy you won't do it—you already know that tooth fairy is imaginary. What if I ask you to look for Batman? How about for "I"?

While doing anything now, eye am “looking” unlike ever before. It is such a weird experience when eye look at others or things.

Great! Continue to experience Life through your senses! Look at what is Real in the world and compare it with what is imaginary.

The minds eye can see all the “others” that were at the event but eye cannot see “me/I” even though the body knows it was present, eye don’t see the image of “me/I”!

Body was present; "me/I' was not—there is no me/I. None at all.

You're doing good work Sylvia! Keep looking!
love
Nona

[Consciousness]

I can only Point; you will have to SEE

Eye see that the the thoughts arise in the mind

As eye performed the actions on the pc, eye see that there is no one controlling Sylvia or forcing her to make typing movements nor controlling seeing/touching the pc. Eye see that all the movements are just happening

I want you to close your eyes and get very clear about where the "I" is located. Then lift one hand and Point with a finger to the "I" in the body. Then open your eyes and tell me exactly what you SEE through your eyes. What is the finger Pointing at?

Eye see the index finger of the right hand pointing at the breastbone of this body. Eye can’t see the “I” to point to

When a sound is heard, is there a separate hearer inside hearing the sound? Or is hearing and sounding a single event? How about seeing and sight? Is the image separate from the seeing? Can you see without there being an image seen? Is there a little taster inside that does the tasting of food and drink? Or does tasting simply occur when the food/drink hits the tongue? How about smell? Is there smelling happening that is separate from the aroma? Check during your day!

When you look in a mirror, what do you see? In Reality? Go ahead, look in a mirror and describe what you see. Is that an "I" at all?

Eye see that hearing and sound are a single event happening at once. Yes, eye can see that the eyes see without there being an image by just imagining it. No, there is no little taster/smellers performing these actions separately. When eye look in the mirror eye see a body in reality, with all it’s parts but eye don’t see an “I” anywhere

What is the truth that the fear is protecting? Ask the fear what it is protecting.

The fear is not forthcoming when asked about truth. The stomach is clenching now and the mind has suddenly gone quiet.

Yes. That is the fear—that the 'self' will be unnecessary. But you don't have a separate self at all already! None at all! So in fact, it isn't even needed NOW!! Check it!

Not sure how clearly eye am seeing this, but eye see that there is no separate self, as all is only one self. Not sure if that was articulated that correctly

So what are you able to see? And by see I mean with the eyes in your head. Do you see a computer or phone? Do you see a room? furniture? maybe a window? If I ask you to look for a tooth fairy you won't do it—you already know that tooth fairy is imaginary. What if I ask you to look for Batman? How about for "I"?

with the eyes, eye am able to see all those real physical objects. Only the minds eye can see the image of batman the character from memory. Eye don’t see “I”…anywhere

Great! Continue to experience Life through your senses! Look at what is Real in the world and compare it with what is imaginary
Body was present; "me/I' was not—there is no me/I. None at all.
You're doing good work Sylvia! Keep looking!

Yes! Will do! And eye see that it was only the body that was present


Thanks so much, Nona. :) as always – much love and peace.

Namaste – Sylvia
(wow) when just typing my name, it hit me “finally” about labels! A label for this body. Just like all other real objects [sadness/happiness experienced]

[nonaparry]

Hi Sylvia!

(wow) when just typing my name, it hit me “finally” about labels! A label for this body. Just like all other real objects

YES!!! So be sure and check that labels point to something Real: label "chair" points to an object of furniture you can sit on, label Sylvia points to a body. What does label "I" point to? Check it!

The fear is not forthcoming when asked about truth. The stomach is clenching now and the mind has suddenly gone quiet.

Gently gently. You are getting closer, so fear may have to get stronger to protect you from the truth that there is no 'you' at all.

Not sure how clearly eye am seeing this, but eye see that there is no separate self, as all is only one self.

Okay, so describe in detail what is being seen and how it is being seen. Is it seen through the eyes in the head or through the mind in thoughts. Check it.

with the eyes, eye am able to see all those real physical objects. Only the minds eye can see the image of batman the character from memory. Eye don’t see “I”…anywhere

Good! So you DO see what's real, but you only imagine what is not real. What does this indicate about "I"? Check it!

Really good work, dear. Til next time,
love
Nona

[Consciousness]

Hi Nona! Eye just saw that eye didn’t greet you before posting last night. Sorry. Eye was trying to focus on my quote codes and forgot lol so double hellos! :)

YES!!! So be sure and check that labels point to something Real: label "chair" points to an object of furniture you can sit on, label Sylvia points to a body. What does label "I" point to? Check it!

Eye see that the label “I” points to nothing

Okay, so describe in detail what is being seen and how it is being seen. Is it seen through the eyes in the head or through the mind in thoughts. Check it.

eye see this through the mind in thoughts that “without a controller” eye am just doing, being and experiencing life with all things and others, as one continues flow

Good! So you DO see what's real, but you only imagine what is not real. What does this indicate about "I"? Check it!

eye see that this indicates that “I” cannot be seen nor touched and is not real

Thanks for your wonderful encouragement, Nona! Eye have the utmost respect for your patience and your time. Much love and have a wonderful Wednesday! <3 as the end of Tuesday here, blends into a new day.

Namaste
Sylvia

[nonaparry]

Hi Sylvia,

Eye see that the label “I” points to nothing...

Do you see this with the eyes in your head or with mind? What is thinking if there is no "I"? Check it!

eye see this through the mind in thoughts that “without a controller” eye am just doing, being and experiencing life with all things and others, as one continues flow

Okay. And how about when you look to see this with the eyes in your head?

As you go through your day, as you interact with people, with machines, with nature, do you see with the physical eyes any controller of anything at all?

Notice your habitual behaviours: brushing teeth, walking somewhere... Is there anything controlling the hand moving the toothbrush, the legs straightening and bending, weight shifting, telling the long- and short-twitch muscles to contract or lengthen, the feet to strike the ground?
Check to see what in your direct experience happens automatically and tell me.

eye see that this indicates that “I” cannot be seen nor touched and is not real

So if "I" is not real, describe how life happens in the course of your day. Waking happens, rising from the bed happens, ... what else?

love
Nona

[Consciousness]

Greetings, Nona :D Willing that you're having a great day! Eye read your reply earlier from work and have been looking and seeing through out the course till eye could get on at home.

Do you see this with the eyes in your head or with mind? What is thinking if there is no "I"? Check it!

Eye see this with the eyes that the label “I” points to nothing. Thoughts are just arising on their own and happening

Okay. And how about when you look to see this with the eyes in your head?

As you go through your day, as you interact with people, with machines, with nature, do you see with the physical eyes any controller of anything at all?

Notice your habitual behaviours: brushing teeth, walking somewhere... Is there anything controlling the hand moving the toothbrush, the legs straightening and bending, weight shifting, telling the long- and short-twitch muscles to contract or lengthen, the feet to strike the ground?
Check to see what in your direct experience happens automatically and tell me.

Eye see the same thing with the eyes that this body and all others are just moving, doing, happening

Eye see that nothing/no controller is controlling any of my behaviors/actions and that all motions of the body are just automatic including walking. Blinkinging, smiling, laughing breathing, coughing, eating, rubbing eye, covering mouth to cough and things of that nature all just “happening” without a controller

So if "I" is not real, describe how life happens in the course of your day. Waking happens, rising from the bed happens, ... what else?

eye see snoozing the clock happens! 3x’s max!! hmm, maybe 4! (lol) :) showering, brushing teeth, dressing, eating, doing hair. All things in the same daily cycle just going on, doing, and happening on their own with nothing controlling anything that the eyes can see.

As always, eye thank you for the process <3 Enjoy with peace, the remainder of your day. Much Love

Namaste
Sylvia

[nonaparry]

Hello Dear Sylvia,

I'm having a Wonderful day; hope you are too!

I have noticed perhaps a shift in perspective in your replies; have you noticed one too? Have you SEEN through the illusion that there is a separate self?
If not, tell me what has you stuck.

with much love,
Nona

[Consciousness]

Hello Nona! :D Glad you had a wonderful day and may it always be that way for you!

That is great news to the eyes to read! :D eye experience more calmness when thoughts come that take me from the "present", especially the negative ones. It will take practice but eye will get there.

Yes eye have experienced a few things that indicate a shift. Today especially when walking to the office building eye was just looking and observing everything around me and it seemed farrr far away, that eye finally heard my name being called. It was a co-worker that had been calling my name. it was as if eye snapped back from somewhere because eye didn't hear anything around me, including the click of my own shoes anymore, until she touched my shoulder and laughed, saying eye looked like eye was lost in my "thoughts" but ironically eye had not been "thinking" at all because eye was focusing. This happens to me often when just unconsciously staring at anything while performing some sort of action but it feels different now.

Eye do have questions arising that cause wondering to happen. How does this all tie into dreams? Is it still just thoughts happening during state of sleep? Also, wondering happens when seeing people who are labeled mentally ill and if their "thoughts" drove them mad?

Nona, have an awesome start to the weekend =) Look forward to hearing back from you when time permits. Much love <3

Namaste
Sylvia

[nonaparry]

Hi Sylvia,

Yes eye have experienced a few things that indicate a shift.

I'm going to ask you some questions that I want you to answer with 100% honesty from your own direct experience. It is not clear to me whether you have SEEN it, and your answers will help me to point you more clearly.
Take your time; you don't need to answer them all at once.

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?

6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?

7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?

love
Nona

[Consciousness]

Good evening to you Nona! Glad to hear back from you. Thank you for your questions. Eye would rather push myself to answer them all, now, as eye see them, so as to make sure eye am seeing and relaying it clearly and just keep going until eye do.

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?

Eye do not see a “me” at all that ever existed. There is this body which is an expression of life. Eye am an expression of life and the self is all life, not separated from anyone or anything. All is just “life”

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

The illusion of separate self is the ego/mind that was under the illusion that it’s unique from all other forms of “life” and can cut itself off from everyone/thing else and has it’s own life. Eye see that it starts in early youth through conditioning and with usage of the title “I”

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.

Feelings of relief arise that thoughts and feelings are not who the ego led me to believe eye was, which were the thoughts/feelings and this body. They just happen and are just life doing “life” and nothing personal

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

Eye have actually already described this journey, with a great friend/neighbor first, before scaring him off and blurting out to him “there is no you.” He found it interesting so eye went further to explain (and this was not easy) but that it’s about looking and seeing that there is no you and no separate self that is experiencing life and he accepted that part due to how many philosophers he mentioned he’s read on the subject. Then a funny thing “happened”. When looking at his face, eye saw various expressions occurring and then began the battle in his mind as his thoughts came flowing out verbally. Eye told him to touch various parts of his body and then when eye told him to touch “I”, he didn’t know where to point. He still tried to rationalize it all away, however the seed was planted and now his curiosity is arising.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?

It was a little of both. Seeing that there was no one there is what pushed me, that “I” is just a thought. It was gradual but overall it took admitting it verbally out loud and not just in written responses.

6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?

7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?

No, there is no experiencer experiencing. Eye see that there is “only” experience”

Eye appreciate you and your unyielding patience with me! (: Willing that the remainder of your weekend goes as you so desire. Much love.

Namaste
Sylvia

[Consciousness]

Oh! there was another thing eye observe when home and looking around at all other forms of "life" in the house with various labels, is that the ego "thought" it "owned" these things but eye see that there is no ownership. one can spend money on other "things" but owns nothing.