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Re: Please guide me

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:05 am
by Eloratea
Is there "you" needed for any of the life activities?
Is there you in control of life?
Was there ever you in direct experience or it was always just an after-thought?

Regards!

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:10 pm
by Demian
Good Evening,

Is there "you" needed for any of the life activities?
What else do you need, if awareness is present?

Is there you in control of life?
That is only a thought, it appears, and then gone.
Was there ever you in direct experience or it was always just an after-thought?
In direct experience there is only openness.

Best wishes

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:31 pm
by Eloratea
How does it feel to see this?

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:09 pm
by Demian
How does it feel to see this?
This is just like that. No personal feelings. Some expansion, not so much thoughts.

It is like more accessible this seeing. However thinking and identification returns, if awareness is not strong.

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:24 pm
by Eloratea
However thinking and identification returns, if awareness is not strong.
Is that a problem?
Where this identification and thoughts happen?
Are they different from awareness?

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:29 pm
by Demian
Is that a problem?
It is the nature of mind.
Where this identification and thoughts happen?
It happens by thinking in the mind.
Are they different from awareness?
They run in the mind, they impede direct experiencing. They add to the experience, by evaluations, creating stories etc.

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:39 pm
by Eloratea
It happens by thinking in the mind.
Is the mind part of your direct experience, or just thoughts?
How your direct experience looks like now?

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:58 pm
by Demian
Is the mind part of your direct experience, or just thoughts?
Just thoughts sometimes. When there is a clinging or identification to the thoughts, then direct experiencing is not possible.
How your direct experience looks like now?
Appearing and disappearing. Not possible to describe.

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:15 pm
by Eloratea
Appearing and disappearing. Not possible to describe.
Appearing and disappearing is possible to describe, of course :)
There is always sensations. Seeing, hearing, breathing...
Here is hearing the raindrops on the window glass, feeling fresh air, looking at the screen, typing words, breathing, eyes blinking, thoughts flowing...
See, what I meant? It is simple. Everything is unfolding naturally in accordance to the current conditions. No self governing anything.
How it looks like for you?

Warm regards!

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:31 am
by Demian
Dear Eloratea,
How it looks like for you?
Appearing and disappearing, it is possible to label, but the experience is unique. There are sensations, thoughts and awareness.

Seems to me as continuous flow.

Best wishes

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:42 am
by Eloratea
is there you in that continuous flow except in thoughts about you?
Is you more than thought?
Isn't the identification also just a label for the belief in though? And in the moment it is seen through, it is gone.

Best.

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:47 pm
by Demian
is there you in that continuous flow except in thoughts about you?
Is you more than thought?
There is no me in the flow of phenomena, only thoughts and associated feelings about "me".

Isn't the identification also just a label for the belief in though? And in the moment it is seen through, it is gone.
Yes, it is. However, as identification is appearing frequently, seeing through is essential to be able to simply experience.

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:18 pm
by Eloratea
If feelings about "me" are not labeled that way, how they are experienced than?
Is there you experiencing them?
Is there any doubt about existence of separate self?

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:43 pm
by Demian
If feelings about "me" are not labeled that way, how they are experienced than?
They are experienced as vague feelings... sometimes it seems that they are just subtle thoughts about "me".
I keep looking for them. Not easy to see :)
Is there any doubt about existence of separate self?
No, there is no doubt about the non existence of a separate self.

Best Wishes.

Re: Please guide me

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:40 pm
by Eloratea
No, there is no doubt about the non existence of a separate self.
How clear is this?
Do you feel ready to answer final questions?
I am not quite sure where you are at :)Let me know how it feels on your side. Is the life personal?

Warm regards.