Hy, italy is calling for help

[Nuxer]

What' a behind my thougths? What's Alberto? I feel a sense, a point of perception, an active point of view.. Inside of it thougths happen and the I come in and the game of believing "me" start. How can i see the difference?

[Cam-RT]

Good Evening, Alberto...

What' a behind my thougths? What's Alberto? I feel a sense, a point of perception, an active point of view..

Very good!...No experiencer,...Just Experience!

Inside of it thougths happen and the I come in and the game of believing "me" start. How can i see the difference?

There are times when even I get caught up in thought, and I have to stop and recenter myself... Basically doing a double take on how seductive thoughts can be, at times it's very hard not to get sucked in when your mind wanders...

Okay Alberto, now take twenty minutes or so and try this excercise out, Please pay paticular attention to how the body reacts while performing this...

First write what you are experiencing right now using words I and me. Get right to the point, no past or future fantasy, just plain description of here now. 

Like this- 
I am laying in bed. I am hearing the rain, I am typing these words..

Do it for 10 minutes. Watch the body, are there any sensations of tightening or relaxing? 

Then for next 10 minutes write without words I and me. Just describe the experience as it is happening using verbs: 
Waiting for next thought, typing, breathing, blinking, hearing the rain.

Again watch what is happening in the body. 

Now compare the two ways to label experience- is one truer than the other? If so, which one? What is here without labels? Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?

Your body knows. I is a label, not experiencer. Not a thinker, not a doer, not a hearer of rain. I is not what makes eyes blink and it is not a breather, it's a word, that is used for convenience of communication. If it's believed to be an entity, the mind is confused, the body is tensed up. Unconfusing it is simple- bring attention back to now and look once again- is there a me behind the word 'me'? 

Life is happening. Looking is happening. Getting lost in the story is happening. With or without label I. 

What is not on automatic?
And do we really need to be enslaved by labels? After all, experience is what labels point TO. 

Look. Don't think, just look. 

[Nuxer]

Hi cam-rt, excuse me for my delay in answering, i was traveling from my holiday location to home last day and i could not do my home work (:-)).
Okay then, the exercise.
I felt more tension in my body during the the "I" part. Found more relaxing the second part.
If there were are differences i supposed the I missed them.
You know? I am wondering something. Really there is someone called me?
The now is the only thing that is, i mean a now that is happening where i can't really say where I am.
When I look, the only thing happening "there" seems to be "the looking".
But if I think to my work, for instance, there is a voice that is saying "nothing's changed, so leave language problem alone, the impersonal form doesn't change anything" and i go depressing myself.
Well, something is depressing something.

[Nuxer]

I was re-reading your post where you write look, don't think, just look and i realize that i thought a lot, so i am trying the execise again.

[Nuxer]

Done.
The second part of the exercise seemed more true. More direct than the "I"part.
The I is really a label, doesnt change the experience. The "I" seem like a filter that is put before the experience trying to... I don't know trying what, but seem unnecessary and in some way harmful.
Ciao e grazie.

[Cam-RT]

Hello, Alberto...

Hi cam-rt, excuse me for my delay in answering, i was traveling from my holiday location to home last day and i could not do my home work (:-))

Hey, as long as you've got this working in the back of your mind, you're just fine. Try to notice these thoughts in real time (throughout your day) when you feel the body reacting challenge the thought that's behind these feeling's that pop up...

I felt more tension in my body during the the "I" part. Found more relaxing the second part.

Pretty cool huh? :^) Remember the body doesn't lie, if you're experiencing discomfort stop (mentally) and take a double take on what IT is that's spurring these feelings...Maybe it's a guy thing when growing up that we're supposed to suppress these feelings to be macho or tough, not only is it contrary to liberation but it's not good physically in the long run for these feelings to go unchecked...

I am wondering something. Really there is someone called me?

Outside of a thought, belief, or memory, where or what is Alberto?....What or where would be a me??

The now is the only thing that is,

This part of this sentence I agree with...

i mean a now that is happening where i can't really say where I am.

Ya, lost me here...Can you elaborate or re-word this?

When I look, the only thing happening "there" seems to be "the looking".

This looks very good here....No looker, ...just looking.

there is a voice that is saying "nothing's changed,

Feeling a bit of frustration? That's the Self throwing out distractions to keep you at bay...
Thoughts are empty projections of "The Self"...Their objective is to "Occupy" us not to defeat us...

[Nuxer]

Hy cam-rt excuse my bad english.
The past sentence a bit complicated re-writed was:
The "now" that is happening; the "now" that is cointaining anything but the "I".


I have to recap.
Alberto doesn't exit as an identity. I am like a flower or a tree o a cat.
Experiencing matter, ultimately experience that is happening. Life. Good.
Most of the time i've misdirected thinking, labeled the reality, thought that was a string of labels instead of a living flowing thing.
Being magnanimous three quarters of humanity is living in a brain damage... Which explains a lot of things about our nature as civilisation.

Something is still missing. I have not been hit yet...

You said the body can't lie. Have to go deeper in my discomfort feelings to find out what is protected?

Need new hints, please.
Bye.

[Nuxer]

Exist instead of exit in the phrase which starts wuth Alberto.

[Cam-RT]

Good Evening Alberto...

The "now" that is happening; the "now" that is cointaining anything but the "I".

Oh okay...Looks good!

Alberto doesn't exit as an identity. I am like a flower or a tree o a cat.

So the gap here is; We deal with thought, as opposed to the latter in this statement...

So all these thoughts that create this physical connection... Are you following these feelings back to the source thought and Challenging these thoughts?... Don't let any get by!! Any residual thought will maintain the "Construct of Self"...This isn't a magic pill that makes it go away, You must be thorough!! These thoughts have been around almost your whole life and have reenforced themselves by interconnecting with other thoughts, you need to see this as a "whole" without a doubt.

Some have likened this "work' as a mental cleaning house, and your mind is like an attic full of boxes. These boxes need to be opened and seen for what they are....Nothing. CHALLENGE EVERYTHING!! Use the body to help. When you feel a twinge...Pardon the analogy, But chase it down open it up and LOOK! shine the light of truth on it! All that's false will burn...And the only thing that will survive is The Truth...
Sounds weird I know but, intellectually people get this stuff but won't actually do the work. These are your doubts, fears, frustrations, anxieties etc...USE THE BODY and do it in real time. Mentally stop and do a double take and find out what's in the way...Question it.

You said the body can't lie. Have to go deeper in my discomfort feelings to find out what is protected?

Something is still missing. I have not been hit yet...

These are what I'm talking about...

Most of the time i've misdirected thinking, labeled the reality, thought that was a string of labels instead of a living flowing thing.

Basically yes, But what I see here is both in your head and out of your head...Living in the moment is MUCH easier when liberated because you see your thoughts for what they are in reality (Real Life) as phantoms/illusions...

PAY ATTENTION THIS IS IMPORTANT...
Nothing can exist that is not contained within the present...
Think about it!!...It's All in your head.
There's no you!...You are literally the imagination of yourself...

Being magnanimous three quarters of humanity is living in a brain damage... Which explains a lot of things about our nature as civilisation.

This made me laugh Thank you! And YES! you're SO RIGHT!

Believe it or not you're getting closer!... Keep up the good Work!!... Don't give up!!!

Check in and let me know how it's Going....

[Nuxer]

What an answer!

Ok, understand, keeping working.
Unboxing and unboxing.

I'll focus on every thought, the ones connected with the body in particular.
'cause nothing it's there, but i have to find out it personally, in the field.
And i want to get to end of this thinking and thinking and doubting and doubting as soon as it is possible.

Keeping you informed, obv.

[Nuxer]

Cam-RT wrote:
Hello Alberto...

Hope your weekend was nice! Check in when you get a chance, and let me know where you're at...

Any other questions Popping up?...Doubts?
If they're nagging you and you're stuck, let me know and we'll work together to help sort them out...

Other wise keep up the good work!

Take Care...


Thank you, week end was good, my french cousin married his russian wife here in italy, they are now returning to Boston where they live. I had 50 guests here for lunch sunday to continue the party.
But...
I didn't stop working. It isn't always simple, but i tried to be honest with myself, whatever it means (i'm not very sure about what me or myself is by now).
First question (or doubt): when it come to an end? I will unbox the last thought to see whats behind and then... Something beautiful will happen? You know, little angels coming down from the great open slit in the ceiling?
Really, there will be a moment when liberation become clear?
Second question (or doubt): sometimes it is not very well-defined in my mind if I am really looking into some thought or "a me" is pretending to do it. I tried to use my body as a tool, but sometimes i am confused anyway.

The nothing behind the thoughts seems to be more like a "something" or, better, like a "everything". Somethimes i don't want to come back from this emptyness...
I have re-started to work after the holydays and the classic routine is resumed. People i had to talk with, businness i left, are waiting again. I felt a little discouraged because i had nobody to share with what i am trying ti focus in my life. So your message was welcomed. But i don't know how to mix the liberation work with real-fake life without making my head explode.

There is a me that is working in this liberation thing but he is a little confused because is not knowing where ultimately is going.

Thank you and if you have some other hints... You are welcome. Bye.

[Cam-RT]

Good evening Alberto...

So when you were with all those guests how did it go?
Did you feel the body tensing when people said things that you might of taken "personally"?

First question (or doubt): when it come to an end? I will unbox the last thought to see whats behind and then... Something beautiful will happen? You know, little angels coming down from the great open slit in the ceiling?
Really, there will be a moment when liberation become clear?

I like that! The parting of the Ceiling and angels with trumpets and rainbows!<----Yup I laughed! :^D

No two people are the same when "IT" hits. Some are subtle and some are OMG!!..."Once it's seen it can't be unseen" AND "after care" is important once you're through because, as time go's by this "Gift" will deepen and broaden depending on what you choose to do with it...

sometimes it is not very well-defined in my mind if I am really looking into some thought or "a me" is pretending to do it. I tried to use my body as a tool, but sometimes i am confused anyway.

Well there's imagination/fantasy, and then there's observing introspectively, analyzing thought...The later using common sense in figuring things out...The body will "snitch" off these thoughts it believes are real (the tightening or uneasiness.)...Your job is to show and reassure it that (in real life) it's NOT REALLY HAPPENING. This helps to break the loop you're caught in...

The nothing behind the thoughts seems to be more like a "something" or, better, like a "everything". Somethimes i don't want to come back from this emptyness...

Exactly Right!! the nothing where all these thoughts come from and go!.....There literally "nothing" behind these yet when you feel the body tighten, the body "believes" there's something there! That is where you need to show the brain that it's just thought and nothing behind it...Kinda like telling kids there's no monster under the bed...

better, like a "everything". Somethimes i don't want to come back from this emptyness..

THIS IS THE REAL YOU! EMBRACE THIS!! This is at the very core of your "Being" PURE, FORMLESS, ENERGY...Emanating from within, always there and ever present... We (the liberated) call this "The Void" or sweet spot ;^) some of us can go there quickly and others well lets just say it take's a bit of work.

Next time you go into the emptiness JUST LET GO! Anything and everything that points to Alberto just let it all fall away...That's what this all boils down to....LIFE. THAT IT!...THAT'S ALL. JUST LIFE!
The rest is just thought<-----None of this is you! There's simply no you... Again just PURE, FORMLESS, ENERGY :^)
It's at the core of every living thing around us...WE ARE ONE.

But i don't know how to mix the liberation work with real-fake life without making my head explode.

These are the "faces or roles" that we must play to keep from freaking people out...It's Okay it's NOT who we really are!!

So without the body and the brain does Alberto Exist?

[Nuxer]

Hard day today. Started reading your message (which i found very interrsting) and then life captured me and left me now (reading it again) with the body tighed till the point i start to feel dizzy.
I barely eat something.
I noticed many times my body tensing during the day and in some point i thought "you know,this is happening for nothing. The nothing is the cause e the nothing is living this which is not real" but i haven't felt much relief. But it is becoming more frequent this new way of considering life.
Tomorrow the work continue.
Have a good night... Yawn

[Cam-RT]

Hey Alberto...

and then life captured me and left me now (reading it again) with the body tighed till the point i start to feel dizzy.
I barely eat something.

That's the body feeling threatened by the thoughts, you're mentally connecting with...

Use the process...
Trace those feelings back to the thought...What's the thought or thoughts that spurred it?....And what's there that's controlling or driving these thoughts?<----You know this answer Right??

But it is becoming more frequent this new way of considering life.

Yup, it's all perception and realizing there's no body at the wheel.<----pardon the analogy.

It's just Life!! :^)

[Nuxer]

Hy Cam... Feeling a little stucked so I read all last MessageS we exchange to re-start the fire.
I think i missed one answer to give.
The source thought.
The one that isn't tear down yet.
The "i" thought. I know that it has to disappear and it does, when i try to look behind it. But in some way i continue to believe it.
The point probably is to see that it is only a thought and not a reality. The body shows me that i still believe, i still identify myself with that.
Looking and looking will drive me to this dis-identification?
Hoping this is the path...
Bye, nuxer.