Pre-Awakening

[Statum]

How does it feel to see that?
Is it still felt that there is something, a subject, that is experiencing the world?

There is not a shift in perspective or experience, it just seems to be exactly as it always has been. The only exception is that there are less beliefs about what is simply raw sensation. The nature of thought is the same as the nature of the sound of a clap; it simply happens. And so the self is felt like it simply happens like a physical sensation simply happens.

[Bananafish]

Thanks, Statum. :)

Do you feel there is anything holding you back?
Anything you need to clarify by means of inquiry?

Best regards,

Kento

[Statum]

Do you feel there is anything holding you back?
Anything you need to clarify by means of inquiry?

I feel that anything to hold me back would be in the content of thoughts rather than in the nature of thought. There are thoughts that say “What are you going to do for the rest of your life?” “How do you know that you are right?” “What’s going to happen if you keep going down this road?”

But it’s all content, not the nature. It has the same nature as a thunder clap, but the content is obviously different. I have expectations about coming up against a fear barrier, but the expectations are all content and not nature as well. I don’t know what to make of nature without content, but it couldn’t be otherwise even as I find it surprising.

[Statum]

Do you feel there is anything holding you back?
Anything you need to clarify by means of inquiry?

Just one more point to clarify. There is still an interest in the contents of thought and in the beliefs that they produce. I would even say that there is still more of an interest in the contents of thought rather than its nature. However, the nature is something that interest keeps coming back to. But the interest in the nature of thought is not long lasting when compared to being mind identified with the content of thought.

[Bananafish]

What's your take on the illusion of separate self now?
Could you report, based on what is actually seen, not what is thought about?

[Statum]

What's your take on the illusion of separate self now?
Could you report, based on what is actually seen, not what is thought about?

I can’t report on the self in any way that doesn’t reference what is thought about. What is actually seen is sight, what is actually heard is sound, what is actually felt is feeling, and so on. The content within the senses is what is thought about and where difference is perceived. Anything more than this would be what is thought about and not what I’d actually seen.

[Bananafish]

Ok, and what is it that's seeing and hearing?

[Statum]

Ok, and what is it that's seeing and hearing?

Just like from the standpoint of a newborn, seeing is just seeing and hearing is just hearing. It’s that simple and innocent. Anything else has to incorporate the contents of thought rather than observing its nature.

[Bananafish]

NIce. :) Does it feel like what you wrote became viscerally clear and
no doubt remains?

[Statum]

Does it feel like what you wrote became viscerally clear and
no doubt remains?

It feels less like no doubt remains than it feels like what else could there possibly be? Any alternative is just a thought and whatever can be thought of is just a thought. Good and evil have the same nature. Pleasant and unpleasant have the same nature. All thought has the same nature although the contents are polarities.

[Bananafish]

Ok, please ponder the question on whether
there is any doubt or points to clarify remains,
and being 100% honest, please answer again.

[Statum]

Ok, please ponder the question on whether
there is any doubt or points to clarify remains,
and being 100% honest, please answer again.

Going into the inquiry that we spoke about, I cannot find where thought experiences anything outside of itself. I cannot find where emotions experience anything other than themselves. I cannot find where physical sensations experience anything outside of themselves.

[Bananafish]

Very nice findings!

How does it feel to see that?

[Statum]

Very nice findings!

How does it feel to see that?

It feels alone, but also comforting. It feels intimate as simple.

[Bananafish]

Has there been a clear and experiential understanding of there being
no concrete subject / feeler of the sensation, apart from the sensation itself?